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The Red Hulk’s Secret Identity Revealed!
7May2008 Filed under: Hulk, Incredible Hulk, Marvel Comics Author: JC
So Joe Quesada dropped a huge bomb in a subtle way in a recent interview, letting it all air out about who this mysterious Red Hulk actually is. As we approach Hulk #4, where Hulk and The Red Hulk square off – it would be nice to know just who this red monster is, and why he wants to destroy everything and why he killed off a giant villain with a gun of all things.
As with all intentional leaks like this, you don’t know how seriously it can be taken, ‘ol Joe could be pulling our legs.
We like to keep things spoiler free around here, so find out who’s behind the Red Hulk rampage going on in Hulk right now, after the jump.
And it’s none other than… Ares, god of war!? Really?
From Joe himself:
3) Red Hulk vs. Mighty Avengers. Coming up?
JQ: 3) It’s probably inevitable. I mean, after all, the Red Hulk is secretly Ares. Wait! Who said that?
Hmm… well, it does seem extremely interesting if it’s true. Does this make any sense to you Avengers fans out there?
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jerry
June 3rd, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Who is really the red hulk?
jerry
June 3rd, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Who’s the red hulk?
JC
June 4th, 2008 at 4:51 am
…it says in the post above…
redhollywood
June 10th, 2008 at 9:01 am
i sure hope its not ares god of war. I am going to be really mad if it is.
Giuseppe Gentile
June 14th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
It’s Sampson… Come on… Think about it!….
redhollywood
June 14th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
that is very plausible. Maybe it is a skrull…..oh and post 100…made it first..eat it.
Banana
June 18th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
It’s Maestro!!! I think…
JC
June 19th, 2008 at 12:09 am
Wow that is a GREAT guess… certainly something to mull over.
redhollywood
June 19th, 2008 at 10:00 am
ooohh I hope it is maestro
Sethro109
June 19th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Red hulk is the punisher Duh.
redhollywood
June 19th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
that would also be cool
Kemorak
June 21st, 2008 at 2:13 am
General Thunderbolt Ross
redhollywood
June 21st, 2008 at 11:45 am
i doubt it is ross
JC
June 21st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Hrm… I dunno about the Punisher – maybe if The Punisher didn’t have two ongoing titles and had been out of readers’ minds for a while…
redhollywood
June 21st, 2008 at 1:55 pm
It literally could be anyone
punkymeadows
June 22nd, 2008 at 6:50 pm
it’s Doc Samson. haircut, identity known at gamma base, knows fight with Abomination quite clearly, has been affected by gamma rays, references Betty in non-caring way.
OR
it’s General Ross, holds a grudge with the Abomination for killing Betty, uses a load of guns, is going to love fight with green hulk, unknown if affected by gamma rays…
for me, i hope it’s Samson. i think it’d be cool to be someone who no one would expect. plus, i’d always wanted to collect a Doc Samson comic.
FrankC
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Its NICK FURY! That would explain the red (fury), and the use of weapons. And Nick Fury has always had a bit of distaste for the HULK. It also explains how he could get into the Shield system.
redhollywood
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
I like the fury tie-in with the color red
Bill
June 24th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
It’s Glen Talbot. Should be obvious.
Red_Hulker
June 24th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Could the Red Hulk be…….EMIL BLONSKY? Clearly whatever made Rick into A-Bomb could have made another new Abomination and perhaps that other Abomination is the body which was found in issue #1. It also explains why Red Hulk wants to off Rick…he’s killing all Abomination pretenders. He also meets the criteria of being previously gamma exposed, hates She-Hulk for beating him in their last encounter, likes guns cause (duh) he’s a spy.
lestat104
June 25th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
It’s Tony Stark! At the end of WWH he was running with those satellites that knocked the Hulk out. He was in those beams and probably absorbed some of the gamma radiation from the Hulk as he was de-powered. The Hulk and Banner have been split before, so why not Stark and a new Hulk personality. Stark really does not like the Hulk, he did shoot him into space! Or…. the demon Hulk personality has finally broken free!!!
redhollywood
June 26th, 2008 at 12:10 am
I like the Emil Blonsky theory. As far as Tony Stark goes that’s not real plausible considering he is in issue 2 or 3 I can’t remeber fighting the red hulk.
JC
June 26th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Interesting theory lestat104, that would be quite a shocker if it’s the case.
Does anyone else think the “hint” dropped in #4 was a red herring? I think the coat hint was too obvious.
redhollywood
June 30th, 2008 at 10:26 am
so it seems that the red hulk is Samson…but I have my doubts.
Smokkee
July 2nd, 2008 at 5:31 pm
I think that this Red Hulk is Banner. How he is both of the Hulks at once I cannot explain but it would not be right if the Hulk was anybody but Banner. The theories about the Punisher and Tony Stark are good and I would not be mad if it was either one of them.
Smokkee
July 2nd, 2008 at 5:33 pm
It could be Stark. The current Iron Man is a Skrull!
redhollywood
July 2nd, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Ok the red hulk is not tony stark considering that tony stark fought him already. Also tony stark may or may not be a skrull it is not definite. It could be that she only told him that to make him even more untrusting and scared. It would throw him off and let things slip by him.
Osmosis68
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:19 pm
It’s pretty obvious the guy is the “Devil Hulk” seperated from Banner at the end of WWH due to the massive energy blast. Look at the facts: 1.) Unlimited Strength fueled by unlimited rage (he has all the power that’s why his Green self can’t beat him), 2.) Doesn’t like Banner or the Hulk (DH all the way), 3.) Does very un-Hulk like things, carries and uses guns to kill his foes (just to be un-Hulk like and evil) 4.) Is his own monster (DH all the way) 5.), Is RED (a devil characteristic) 5.) Remember that art with him surrounded in flames (another devil Characteristic), 6.) Has been looking to get out for years now is finally out, 7.) The most obvious reason: Marvel would never ever let a secondary character do impossible feats of strength like this, this is the Hulk’s forte, it’s just that the worst part of him is finally out… The question is how do they get that back inside of Banner and repressed again… I like that they are using him to set the record straight at long last… I would like to see him get even with Void like he did when he set Gladiator straight… Imagine when this is all over everybody will really fear the Hulk in the MU because they have seen what he can really do if truly “unleashed”…
Osmosis68
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Sorry about the two 5’s in the last post but to support my point here’s what Loeb said not to long ago:
“In many ways, the Red Hulk speaks to the worst in us,” Loeb says, “so when the Green Hulk comes back, it will remind us of the best in us.”
Note there is no disconnect. I believe he’s talking about the same character.
redhollywood
July 4th, 2008 at 8:04 am
I think you have hit the nail on the head. I totally agree that they are one in the same. That will make this series even better.
Tygah
July 5th, 2008 at 2:57 am
At first I thought that it was clay quartermain, but they found his mangled body, so the only reasonable person that it could be is Doc Samson.
1. look at the hair style
2. shield was able to identify him b4 he destroy the computer that was about to say who he is
3. he “thinks” things through. signs of a “cerebral” person
4. high gamma levels on Samson’s clothes, way more that what he would have given off from b4
5. not a stranger to gamma radiation’s affect on body, jusy not to that level
tell me what ya’ll think.
redhollywood
July 5th, 2008 at 8:48 am
i think it is loebs way of throwing us off the trail but then again he could be pulling a double reverse feint and it just seems like he is trying to throw us off and it really is samson.
Tygah
July 5th, 2008 at 10:49 am
From Wikipdeia, On Doc Samson:
“While attacking the Thunderbolts, the telepath Mirage noted that Doc Samson, who was present in Thunderbolts Mountain, had some fascinating thoughts. In his mind she saw that, while his mental reactions to Norman Osborn and Moonstone were Hulk-like, he was still able to control himself from physically acting on those impulses.”
I believe that the doses of Gamma Radiation released the new views of himself and caused him to mutate into the Red Hulk.
Plus, had it been Thunderbolt Ross, Red Hulk would’ve had a mustache.
Osmosis68
July 5th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
My main reason for not believing it is Samson is that he too obvious, he is the perfect “Red Herring” (pardon the pun), and Doc Samson as the strongest in the MU… Nah, can’t see that happening.
The Hulk is Banner and has always been Banner. There have been other “False Hulks” like Rick Jones. But there is only one true “Hulk” and his stamp is doing the impossible. That’s why the other heroes go get him when facing things like Onslaught. I could see Samson if this character was not doing Hulk-like impossible to imagine feats of strength. But tetonic hits, cold-cocking Uatu, changing the environment around him with his presence? If Red H. beats Thor down and breaks his Hammer and this is Doc Samson, then the Marvel front office needs to call a meeting include Stan Lee and tell the world that they are changing the character’s entire back history.
I’ll add that when McG signed on as artist that he wanted to impossible Hulk feats of Strength. He ended up with Red Hulk and though surprised has continued with great art. I still think he is Banner. Remember back in the day when the Beyonder said that the Hulk was his near equal in limitless power. Maybe we are starting to see that in the limitless and ruthless Red Hulk version (the green version had to much history of being overcome by simple things and many foes)… And didn’t he state in Issue #4 that “He is the Strongest One there is!” When did anybody but the true Hulk say that?
If I am wrong then its clearly time to abandon Marvel and head to DC for the long haul…
Just my 2 cents…
redhollywood
July 5th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
I will never head to DC…i just can’t get into them.
Spartan009
July 6th, 2008 at 1:45 am
You’re all friggin idiots, you know that? It’s obvious that that Red Hulk is Samson. Picture Red Hulk and Samson’s face at the same time and you can realize that they look alike 100%. But if that doesnt work, then read issue #4 where the investigators find Samson’s shredded coat with tons of gamma exposure all over it. Why the heck some of you think it’s banner, or the punisher (as if), or ross is beyond me. I understand imagining who the red hulk is can be fun but face the facts that Samson is red hulk. FACE THE FACTS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!
redhollywood
July 6th, 2008 at 2:06 am
I know it is samson. I was just hoping that loeb wouldn’t make it so predictable.
Tygah
July 6th, 2008 at 3:25 am
Osmosis may have a point. Samson would be too easy an answer, so herez my twist on everything.
Itz Samson, just not “our” Samson!!!!!!!
In Doc Samson’s latest mini series, didn’t he come face to face with an alternate dimensions version of himself? Who knows how our gamma radiation can affect an alternate being, henceforth the color of red. Anything affected by gamma radiation in marvel universe 616 comes out “green”.
We’ve had stuff like this happen b4:
1. Dark Beast replaced Beast for a while.
2. She-Hulk boned the Juggernaut, only to find out that it was another She-Hulk that did it.
3. Spider Man’s Uncle Ben just came over from another dimension just recently.
4. Teenage Tony Stark replaced the regular adult Tony Stark.
5. When Banner was separated from the Hulk during Onslaught/Heroes Reborn, a long haired Hulk came from another dimension and fought the Banner-less Hulk. This was when Mike Deodato was drawing the book.
Not saying that this is whatz happening, but it could be an interesting twist to things.
Spartan009
July 6th, 2008 at 4:07 am
Look, even if it is too obvious RH is Samson, it’s still the fact. unfortunately, I’m not aware that Samson met another him from another dimension. you may be right though but I think it’s the original Samson. Does it even make sense that Ares can be Red Hulk? I mean, through issues 3 and 4, RH kept talking about how much he hated Hulk. Did Hulk once fought Ares or something? There is another proof that Samson is RH. In issue 3 at the gamma base, a scanner was scanning RH’s eye and almost said a name but before the name got out, RH had to go and smash it. Obviously, it was about to say “Leonard Samson”. Unless Ares works at the gamma base, I dont know what to tell ya folks.
JC
July 6th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Spartan009, you DO realize that Ed Mcguinness draws EVERY face the same. Using Samson’s face as your proof is pretty silly.
Spartan009
July 7th, 2008 at 1:23 am
shut it. you know i’m right. i havent seen one character in the hulk series with the similar hair cut and chin.
Osmosis68
July 7th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Interesting… Theories here are very thought-provoking… However the basis of my thesis is the strength issue… That’s what does it for me… An added plus is that it is time for the Hulk to return as the “top dog” of the Marvel strength/major threat food chain… WWH was great and this takes it over the top. If I am correct and can stay with the MU, then the possibility of the RH returning takes the Hulk to an all new level. What is good about this is it sort of takes Marvel back to the beginning of the Silver Age when the major threat was the Hulk (despite his being a “good guy” deep down)… Here’s something that I would love to see: Gravage, Professor, Fixit, Savage, Savage Banner, the Maestro personality all coming out to take on this guy and put him back in his cave/cage. With him screaming all along – “I’ll be back! This isn’t over! I’m still stronger than all of you combined!” Now that would be an issue that would convert even the most die hard anti-hulk fans…
redhollywood
July 7th, 2008 at 8:58 am
I was not aware that samson fought a different version of himself either. That would be a great twist.
kane
July 7th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
There are many interesting angles to this story. If the Red Hulk is standing face to face with a figure in such a rage the picture has to be of Bruce Banner. The Red Hulk is his rage portion of himself, therefore, Bruce is of course not dead and they have managed to seperated the rage from Bruce. The Red Hulk is his remaining rage.
The Nick Fury is also probably the best/tie in with the Red Hulk.
Sampson couldn’t be the Hulk because in the picture with the question mark it is basically symoblizing that no one on that page is the Red Hulk. Therefore no Sampson or any of those people. Sampson seems like the obvious choice but it’s not.
Spartan009
July 8th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Kane, did somebody hit you in the head with a rock bigger than a bowling ball? ’cause your theory is wack. Care to explain why samson keeps disappearing before Red Hulk shows up? Care to explain what’s with samson’s coat covered in gamma radiation? your theory of the Red Hulk is ridiculous so therefore, you should not speak so nobody who reads this forum doesnt get confused. I’m right, you’re wrong. Samson is Red Hulk.
Opportunist
July 9th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Spartan009, your theories about the Red Hulk were dead on, but you come off like a pompous ass. Calling people “friggin idiots” and telling them to “shut it” basically negates the intelligence you obviously have.
Stick to reading your comics in silence until you learn to communicate with others properly.
hulknaut
July 10th, 2008 at 3:00 am
you guys hulk has fought against ares before..yea sampson could be RH,but i think it would be cooler if someone else where RH..yea tony stark could be RH cause of the whole running through satellite and hulk power radiation thing..but also osmosis u put out a good theory to..but i kinda am pointing to ares more because marvel talked to the editor and chief and he hinted ares..i mean in WWH they where referring to hulk as a war god and worldbreaker right? well ares is suppose to be the war god now hulk is claiming his title?!? even more of a reason for him to be RH..
michael
July 10th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Well, I finally read the issue in question and felt obligated to toss in my two cents. We’re talking about a Marvel comic here, and which basket is Marvel currently tossing all it’s eggs into? Secret Invasion. So let me posit another theory. What would happen if you took a super skrull with the powers of the Hulk(or Samson) and flooded them with additional Gamma radiation? Could you not conceivably get yourself a super-duper hulk skrull? And since natural skrulls are green, maybe gamma skrulls are red. It makes a certain sense, ties it into a massive crossover, and blah, blah, blah.
Still, my gut say Ross. I know it’s an unpopular option, but his comments scream Ross to me, maybe he finally snapped and irradiated himself so he could take the Hulk out personally. Although I agree with whomever said it earlier, he should have the stache!
Shawn
July 10th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
The Red Hulk is Doc Samson.
Spartan009
July 10th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Why do you people keep saying it’s stark or ross? they’ve been encountering red hulk and fighting him you noobs. Did you guys even read the comics is what I wonder now.
clearthought
July 12th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Alright everyone calm down. Spartan, your hostile atacks don’t make you look smarter, but foolish. Every bit of evidence provided for either side can be minipulated either direction such as: RH fought Stark but it could be robots. Samson’s jacket is over radiated however it could have been a confrovtation. Not to make enemies here, all theories are good, however this is all fiction and to think that anything is concrete because it is on the pages is rediculous. What it comes down to is that the writer is going to send us down lots of paths and come up with the most provocative ending possible. Regardless of evidence!
Peace-maker
July 13th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
As a MC and Hulk fan, and the current feel with invasion…WWH is the skrull and RH is Banner. Notice how the skrulls are super undetectable? Notice how these versions of skrulls are truly thinking themselves to be the ones they impersonate. Realistically (comically speaking) a skrull shouldn’t pass the detection of the Illuminati and said skrull that did was the first to get his @ss handed to him in WWH…mightily convenient. But more to my point, Electra was swapped a loooong time ago and it’s plausible that so was Banner. By the way, as to Doc Samson theory based upon gamma radiation being detected, ALL gamma powered metabeings in MC leave behind residual gamma radiation.
Another point, Banner’s adaptability has always been expressed by and linked to his mental state producing different Hulks. I believe it was Pro. X that warned about trying to shut down Banner psychically because of this very reason. You shut one down…and a new variation shows.
And finally, has everyone forgotten that She-Hulk even thought RH was Banner because they look a like? Of the characters in MC, I would think that She-Hulk would be able to recognize her cousin. (And yes, I know what RH said after knocking her out but Mr. Fixit would say the same thing.)
Spartan009
July 13th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
sorry if i’m sounding like a jackass to you people but I just find other peoples theories to be, well… stupid. again, sorry if i’m sounding like a jackass. i’m too addicted into comic books and for the last #@%& time, samson is red hulk! it’s perfectly clear that the red guy is him because of what i’ve been seeing in the issues and i’m already guessing that all of you guys think my theory is wack and i dont care. i dont care if i’m either right or wrong. i have to admit that some others in here saying their theories about the red hulk is good. like ares being mad about hulk for making people think he’s a god of war. that could be a good plot i guess.
Peace-maker
July 15th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Mr. Spartan009, Doc Samson being RH is like Gambit being the betrayer of the X-men or Xorn being Magneto. Total comic mislead. They’ll retcon first! Lol. You can’t name not one new variation of the king of smash NOT being Banner. EVER.
And i forget which one of y’all said something about the Hulk using guns and it’s unlike him…um, he used guns as the Unified Hulk. In Planet Hulk he goes Conan. All I’m saying is that Hulk isn’t above using any weapons he see’s fit.
If anything, I’m sick and tired of Marvel misusing and abusing the Emerald Behemoth and Banner alike. In one you have the strongest body and the other one of the strongest minds in Marvel and his losses are often unbelievable at best. The main disappointment comes from Hulk/Banner being usually being justified for his actions but comes out on the losing side. WWH being a prime example. The only thing that makes up for this is a new Hulk every decade or so. MC has a good idea with RH, but I hope that they just don’t blow a good idea with a bad plot line…like Doc Samson being RH.
michael
July 17th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Peacemaker makes a good point. Marvel is fairly consistent, to the point of taking good characters and making them old characters no one cares about. I also agree that Hulk is generally not above using weapons, however, the gun seems outside of the scope a bit. I admit my Hulk knowledge is very limited and I don’t know who Unified Hulk is, but didn’t we see Mr. Fixit use a gun once or twice? Current Hulk and every incarnation of Hulk i’ve ever found to be “cool” seems to primal for the gun. Of course, that same gun makes me thing Samson is a bad choice too, he’s a man of science, first and foremost a user of his brain, he tends to not give in to his baser instincts. That’s why I still think it’s Ross, Military, knows how to fight, likes to shoot stuff. But again, we’ll see huh?
phineas curmudgeon
July 17th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
I’m sick of so many characters being stronger than the Hulk now. It’s like he’s the benchmark for shock value. I mean it was always debatable in the past which characters were at his level or better, like Thor, Gladiator or the Abomination, but now it’s as though there is an effort to constantly dethrone ‘him’ in some way. Don’t even get me started on how much I hate the retroactive insertion of a major metahuman in the Marvel Universe a few years back that still flourishes as a legitimate mainstay to this day. That just pissed me off.
The Fury angle would explain the hair, the Samson angle seems where they’re leading us most and Devil Hulk makes great sense, but really….
it’s a friggin’ Loeb story. Which unfortunately means he’s writing up to the hailmary corkscrew that seems like the leading ambition for this scribe to ever lay pen on paper. I don’t care much for his writing, not because he’s bad at storytelling… he can write something compelling enough to suck you in and keep you there till the end, but because his story’s always rely on such a frailty in the end to pull it all together that it seems like a string on a potato sack. It’s always some precarious… “betcha din’t see dat comin’ didja?” And we didn’t see it, because we racked our heads trying to apply logic to the equation and that doesn’t work well when your trying to be the guy who dupes everyone. Yet without that string the whole story falls apart so you kinda have to accept it so that you don’t throw stuff across the room for all of the time and emotional investing you’ve wasted.
I’d like to think that Ross, Stark or Talbot would still have moustaches as Hulks just to cut them from the equation right there. Emil would be fun but would need some explaining. As far as Skrulls, well they may have us looking over our shoulders for years now, because thats a great back door for Marvel writers to fix problems.
I don’t know where to take this really, because I do believe strongly in what I said about trying to rationialize a Loeb story, but it’s fun anyway. I just want the Hulk to be as impressive as he used to be, not some constant tool to smack down for the instant awe factor. He’s not strong enough in the movie either. Either him or Emil would have broken those chains at the end.
peace. p.c./phinny/mudge
Spartan009
July 18th, 2008 at 12:45 am
When will issue #5 come out? I want to see if Thor will beat Red Hulk or not.
mplayer
July 21st, 2008 at 4:25 pm
We do know one thing, that is that Thor may not lose but will not destroy the RH due to it being a 6 issue series.
redhollywood
July 21st, 2008 at 7:40 pm
I am interested on how hulk fits into the whole skrull thing
JTRobin
July 21st, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Red Hulk is Ryker. He was behind the Gamma Corps, had the means and the motivation to become the Red Hulk. My theory is that that when the Gamma Corps inevitably turned against him, he took matters into his own hands and became the Red Hulk. He resembles the Hulk because Hulk DNA is the basis of his transformation.
Anyway, that’s my guess
redhollywood
July 22nd, 2008 at 7:59 am
that is a sound theory
Barbarian
July 23rd, 2008 at 12:22 pm
I think the Red Hulk is a ticked off comic book nerd that has never kissed a girl and gets mad at ridiculous garbage like this.
JC
July 23rd, 2008 at 12:44 pm
hey now!
Let’s not insult ComicNerds around here, buddy.
I have in fact kissed a girl, I’ll have you know. She was sweet and smart and… yeah okay it was just on the cheek but still!!!
Anyway, lively debate is healthy, it just shows Loeb’s work is getting everyone riled up like it should.
Barbarian
July 23rd, 2008 at 1:02 pm
You’re absolutely right. Regardless of my insensitive comments, I too have a morbid fascination with this storyline. Don’t tell my wife that I sold her Coach purse to buy them to date. Rock on fellow nerds!
Peace-maker
July 24th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
You know, a runaway clone theory is viable too. They (meaning Stark and Richards) have a depowering serum with programmed nanobots perfectly written to each metahuman. No registration = no powers. That’s very scary genetic understanding to the scope of Sinister…and they’ve shown that they’re not ashamed to flex that type of power like Sinister either: a cloned Thor…a fake Sentry. And it fits into the most evil deeds: duplication of said hero to the public! Scarlet Spiders anyone?! In other words, they recogized they may need Hulk’s strength but not the Hulk.
“I know! Let’s clone him, Tony, after we shoot him into space!”
“Great idea, Reed!”
…shortly after WWH in the Negative Zone…
WARNING! WARNING! Cloning chamber #2 is breached!
…out of it come a Red Hulk passing out…
“I’ll need to run some tests to see if the color difference matters due to the nature of the Negative Zone.”
redhollywood
July 24th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
i think it is stan lee.
lestat104
July 25th, 2008 at 8:34 am
now that i think about it ,a little outside of the box, it’s actually the juggernaut!!! he hates the hulk, thinks he’s the strongest, finally is back to full power, his power comes from magic so no limit, the ruby is red which could have affects on his color!!!! it’s juggy!!! just kidding… still think it’s the demon hulk!
TYGAH
July 25th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
JUST TO MESS WITH YA’LL IMMA SAY ITZ REALLY BETTY COME BACK TO LIFE!!!!
LOL LOL LOL LOL
redhollywood
July 25th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
its steve rogers in zombie form
Breez500
July 30th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Alright enough playing around. The Red Hulk is either Nick fury or Captain America. Which one, I have no idea. But trust me gentlemen its one of those two. But if by some small chance i’m wrong, then its Bucky. I don’t care if he is Captain America now, its him.
Solmo
August 1st, 2008 at 5:42 pm
This is really getting to me. I moved so, I got left back at the end of WWH. I’ve been trying to figure who is this and looking everywhere and anywhere. I found a site, that might help, although a little disappointing.
http://en.marveldatabase.com/Red_Hulk
Stuart
August 4th, 2008 at 7:07 am
I like the Nick Fury Theory.
Spartan009
August 4th, 2008 at 11:45 am
I just realized that Loeb overdid Red Hulk’s strength because there’s no frikkin way green Hulk would lose that easily. You might as well make up a comic book character that destroys the Marvel world with just a snap of his fingers. This is ridiculous!
kaygee
August 6th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Red Hulk is mos def Nick Fury. He has been gone for a while so that usually means a character chane in the Marvel Universe. Can’t wait til Banner Kicks his ass.
FACE
August 7th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
There are several indications that Red Hulk aka: Rulk is not General Ross, which is the easy answer when the assumption is Doc Samson’s just too obvious. Most importantly the lack of a moustache. If Banner retains his hair thru the transformation where’s the moustache for Ross as Rulk?
There are a couple of lines of dialogue from Rulk in issue #4 which suggest against it being Ross as well:
just before Rulk breaks Hulk’s arm he says, “I showed them all. Iron-Man. She-Hulk. And those idiotic S.H.I.E.L.D. failures — Hill and ROSS.”
Then, atop the bridge as Rulk points the gun into Hulk’s face he says, “They might just give me a medal for doing this. If I even cared about that sort of thing.”
Ross has some appreciation for medals considering he’s a four-star general. Thus, the Ross suspiscion should be layed to rest. However, he does mention having hunted a Blue Hulk (Rulk also uses the word “Bulk” atop the bridge), leading me to believe he knows more than he’s letting on (i.e. the inaudible dialogue with Banner).
Now, as far as Samson being Rulk, well.. it is too simple. This is Loeb’s attempt to throw us off the trail. It’s a fairly successful herring based on Spartans’ insistance that Rulk is Samson. All evidence points this way, and the only other person recognized by the robotic gate guard was Samson. Or was it?
A little while ago I posted on another board that the key to knowing who Red Hulk is lie in knowing how Rick Jones became an Abomination. If Rick could become an A-Bomb, then it can be assumed that others can as well. So, maybe, that wasn’t Emil Blonsky’s A-Bomb carcass that was found dead at the beginning of the series, but another A-Bomb altogether. Meaning Blonsky’s still alive and mixed up in this story somehow.
Would gamma base security records allow them to distinguish Blonsky’s identity? He had infiltrated the base during his spy missions which led to him becoming the Abomination, thus, he’s likely on record at the gamma base.
If you check out King-Size Hulk you’ll find a lot of backtracking on Blonsky’s connection. The section ends with Ross looking at an image of Betty and the word “Revenge” in the notes.
So, yeah, I’m leaning towards the Blonsky connection, but I’m not commited to it. Any wild guesses like Iron-Man or The Punisher being Rulk are just that, wild guesses. Quesada threw Ares out there cuz he’s an ass that would rather have Aunt May live forever than Peter Parker grow up. Don’t believe a word he says.
lestat104
August 7th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Again… going with the Demon Hulk. Somehow it has split from Banner physically. I’m guessing those red beams of radiation, from the satellites at the end of World War Hulk, separated the Demon Hulk from the Green Scar Hulk. The WWHulk was the smartest, strongest, angriest, and the most cunning the Hulk has ever been. He did what ever he wanted… nobody could stop him. The question nobody has asked is why is the Green Hulk a stupid, third person speaking, limited vocab Hulk? Doc Samson has dealt with Banner’s multiple personalities before and has become a threat to the Red Hulk. That’s why he is out of the picture and being set up……..
redhollywood
August 8th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
its not nick fury cause he showed up in SI
davegalio
August 9th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Its Doc Samson just compare the two. He has access to Shield and is a Genius as well. Plus he was exposed to Gamma Radiation to. Its him. Doc Samson is the Red Hulk.
Mordeth
August 11th, 2008 at 3:26 am
thats a lot of specualtion guys, 2 viewpoints
one that the Red Hulk is the Maestro, he did not die and the gamma explosion probably turned him Red (over exposure).. but then he looks too young..
the second one is really over the top, Zom’s Essence (Zomling) while fighting the Hulk steals the Hulk’s Essence and enters Amadeus Cho.
Any Takers? Red Hulk is Amadeus Cho
Hulkhistoryfan
August 13th, 2008 at 2:43 am
As a long time Hulk fan, the only way I could dig Samson as Rulk, is if they tied it to his hair being cut. Since the long standing rule on Doc Samson’s gamma mutation is that if his hair was cut off he’d lose his power. Since he is a bit vain. So it would be interesting if cutting his hair caused his mutation to instead develope another personality. If not I’m totally bummed that they just threw away the Samson long hair thing on a lark.
It also makes little sense that Rick Jones mutation caused him to become an Abomination. Since we’ve already seen during the original return of the Grey Hulk, what happens when Rick is dosed with Gamma Rays. He becomes a green skinned character much like the original savage she hulk in personality.
Really this whole story has holes in it with Hulk history. I’m guessing that it’s either Clay (not dead) transfered into the extra rage of the Hulk after WWH (maybe mixed with the 1000 exploding suns energy too) or General Ryker. Who seems a very obvious a choice too.
redhollywood
August 13th, 2008 at 11:36 am
I like the name rulk
moises
August 20th, 2008 at 11:43 am
I BELIEVE THE RED HULK IS BANNER. ALL THE CLUES LEADING US TO THINK THAT ITS SAMSON IS LOEBS WAY OF THROWING US OFF. BANNER WAS SEPARATED IN THE BATTLE WITH SENTRY.AND ABOUT THE JACKET I THINK IT GOT THAT WAY IN AN UNSEEN BATTLE WITH THE RED HULK WE MAY DISCUVER THAT SAMSON WAS KILLED BY HIM I HOPE THIS IS THE CASE IT WOULD BE LAME IF IT TURNED OUT TO SAMSON,
moises
August 20th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
I WAS RE’ READING THE BOOKS AND I NOTICE SOMETHING ABOUT THE CLOTHING OF THE RED HULK HIS PANTS ARE DARK GREY DOC SAMSONS PANTS ARE LIGHT BROWN YET ANOTHR CLUE FOR ME THAT IT NOT SAMSON I HPOE IM RIGHT WE FIND OUT NEXT ISSUE CANT WAIT.
jec
August 20th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
red hulk, is an angry banner. green hulk the child like persona of his split personalities. the banner side still pissed off about caiera. the energy release at the end of ww hulk was enough to split the two, and remember the hulk learned how useful a weapon could be in a fight while a gladiator.
jec
August 20th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
red hulk is banner. green hulk is the childlike persona of his fractured personalities. banner’s still pissed about caiera and wants to destroy. he gave off tremendous amounts of radiation at end of ww hulk besides the red energy beams t stark blasted him with was used with alien tech.
banner did learn how useful a weapon could be while a gladiator.
John
August 20th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Joe Q assigned Jeph Loeb to make this new Hulk series a mystery. I know he’s the Editor and Chief at Marvel, but I don’t think he would really give away that secret. Unless Joe Q talked it over with Jeph Loeb, Ed McGuinness, Mark Panccina, and Brian Michael Bendis about Ares being the new Red Hulk, it just doesn’t seem real. Why would a “god of war” expose himself to gamma rays in the past or lead up to exposing himself to become the new Red Hulk, it just doesn’t make sense. Why doesn’t this red Hulk carry around an axe? What does Ares have to do with Shield and replacing all of the Hulk files? Ares fights alongside Ironman so why would he attack him? I feel as though I could go on and on about questions relating to how Ares can’t possibly be this new red Hulk. At first it seem like everyone was buying into Rick Jones being the new Red Hulk, but we now know he’s the new Abombination known as A-Bomb. Now it would seem like the spotlight is on Doc Samson. By the way things are looking, Doc Samson makes a whole lot more sense then Ares does. It seems a bit strange that this new red Hulk isn’t Bruce Banner, being that he is the original Hulk and he has undergone alot of transformations, but if that is how it is suppose to be, then so be it, no other hero should stop this red Hulk except Bruce Banner’s green Hulk. I was kinda hoping that this new red Hulk could kinda be like Onslaught, but instead of using his mind powers to control you, it would be lending you the power of a combination of Hulk and Sentry to those who were exposed to gamma rays past or present, so if it’s Doc Samson, it would make sense since he has been exposed to gamma rays. Just wishful thinking on my part.
mm4 aug 27
August 23rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm
It’s got to be Doc Samson there’s like 4 clues in the series you just got to look close also it can’t be ares he’s going to help hulk in the next comic
moises
August 24th, 2008 at 6:24 am
HEY GUYS I WAS JUST THINKING UPCOMING FIGHTS HERE ARE MY TOP FIVE . 1,WOLVERINE 2,THE U-FOES 3,HERCULES 4,THE MASTER WHO MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH ALL THIS 5,SKRULLS.
phineas curmudgeon
August 24th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
I kinda like what ‘FACE’ said above, and I’m a big time Blonsky fan so that would be a twist I’d actually like. We really don’t have any definitives about the dead Abomination’s identity do we? Besides it would fit the dialogue and Blonsky – who’s a long time veteran character, deserves better than some hype driven rub out.
Nick Fury, Cap or Bucky? Definitely interesting, but no matter who it is, the revelation will only be as satisfying as the explanation grants it to be, and with Loeb… that’s where I worry. Would Rulk have an eye thing going on if he was Fury? Hmmmm.
Mebbe Loeb will say that Red King and Hulk had a secret love affair and…..
p.c./phinny/mudge
TYGAH
August 24th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
I WAS JUST RE-READING THE THEORIES MENTIONED ABOUT THE RED HULK BEING THE MAESTRO AND THEY WERE VERY GOOD.
ITZ GOT ME TO THINKING THAT IT COULD BE Y THE RED HULK LOOKS SOOO MUCH LIKE THE GREEN HULK, MINUS ITZ COLOR. IN ORDER TO LOOK SOO SIMILIAR, WOULDN’T DNA BE A FACTOR? SO I FIT COULDN’T BE THE MAESTRO, THEN MAYBE
ITZ BRIAN BANNER COME BACK TO LIFE!!!!!!!!!!
THINK ABOUT I, HE HAS REASON TO HATE SHIELD AND ROSS AS STATED BY THE RED HULK IN ISSUE #4. WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW GAMMA RADIATION AFFECT A RE-ANIMATED CORPSE. HIS BODY COULD’VE ABSORBED THE RADIATION FROM BRUCE WHEN HE VISITED HIS GRAVE WAAAAY BACK WHEN THE HULK SPLIT IN TWO DURING ONSLAUGHT. AT THAT TIME THE BANNER-LESS HULK WAS RADIATING OBSCENE LEVELS OF RADIATION AND COULD’VE SLOWLY HEALED BRIAN’S BODY AND SINCE HE WAS THE EXAMPLE OF RAGE THAT BRUCE SUPPRESSED FOR SOO MANY YEARS UNTIL ITZ RELEASE DURING THE GAMMA BOMB EXPERIMENT. IT WOULD’VE BEEN EASY FOR BRIAN BANNER TO ACHIEVE HULK LIKE STATUS.
JUST A STRAY THOUGHT…..MIND U, I STILL SAY THAT ITZ DOC SAMPSON.
Drew
August 25th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Red Hullk Is Jugarnaut. Jugarnaut hates hulk because hulk is stronger than him. Also you have not see Jugarnaut lately. His last quote was you will not like what I become and he has not been seen since Red hulk appeared
Rick
August 26th, 2008 at 8:56 am
he’s May Parker…
Silverback
August 26th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
I think it’s the Thing. He has a long history with the Hulk, and he has undergone a lot of mutations in his career as the Hulk’s punching bag. Maybe the exposure to Sentry’s and Hulk’s energies did the trick? Remember, most people exposed to gamma radiation wind up indulging their negative emotions. Ben Grimm, with his resentment over the effects of the superpower registration act, his frustration with not beating the Hulk and his anger at being considered an “abomination” himself (hence the murder of Blonsky), makes a good Red Hulk candidate, in my opinion.
Drew
August 27th, 2008 at 12:09 am
no he is Juggarnuat my source knows people who work for marvel plus he is the only level 13 intellect in the world
John
August 27th, 2008 at 11:49 am
I have to say looking at all these replies, there are alot of good theories as to who this new red Hulk is. The two that really catch my eye are the guesses of Juggernaut and Thing. These two in their own right are mighty powerhouses, but if any of these two were to become this new red Hulk, do you realize what that would mean? All those times they fought the Hulk and you would hear the famous battle cry, “HULK IS STRONGEST ONE THERE IS”, well if they can’t beat him, why not join him, but in my opinion to their character, that would be such a cop-out. You would also have to ask yourself, why now? If the Hulk was really this bad, why become something like him now? Out of these two it would make more sense if it was Juggernaut then the Thing, because to have Thing step out of The Fantastic Four just to be this new red Hulk, I think it would hurt his character instead of helping him and I would say the same for The Fantastic Four. The Juggernaut like the Hulk is a force of nature, but how come the Juggernaut didn’t become a new Onslaught during when Onslaught was a threat to the Marvel Universe and we know how Onslaught kicked Juggy’s @$$ really bad, so again, why now and does this mean that the Hulk is a greater threat then Onslaught himself? This new red Hulk has to be someone from the Hulk universe, to have someone outside the Hulk universe, although depending who it is and how they go about it might be cool, but it just wouldn’t be fair and wouldn’t make any sense whatsoever. For right now it makes sense that the red Hulk could very well be Doc Samson. If it isn’t Doc Samson and it turns out to be the original Abomination or Bruce Banner’s dad or somehow it’s a Banner-less Hulk that could survive without him, who knows, they all make great twists, adding more plot to the mystery, but it’s best to have Jeph Loeb reveal it when the time is right.
Craig
August 27th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
I sincerely hope that he has been empowered by the power gem or is a masquerading rogue celestial or some other such super empowered cosmic entity. With him being able to handle Thor with the Odin-Power so easily must be explained thoroughly. Ares or Samson or even a Demon Hulk is not going to explain it. He has to be a serious entity on par with Surtur, Arishem, Galactus, or at least Korvac or some other elder god. If not, marvel has made a major snafu.
bandit18
August 28th, 2008 at 7:56 am
all this guessing at who the red hulk is makes me wonder if people even think about stuff before typing it down..the thing!?…did u not read the last comic…Amadeus Cho dude that guy is in love wit hulk..onslaught!? juggernaut!? punisher!? cap america!? bucky!? brian banner!? nick fury!? bruce banner!? i wont even go there wit the rest of those thought less guesses
John
August 28th, 2008 at 11:39 am
I understand on one hand how it could frustrate some fans to see other fans predict certain things that just seem way out there, but at the same time, not just because this is America, but because we are all fans, this gives us a chance to voice in our opinions. We place our trust in the comic creators to tell great stories about our favorite heroes and villians and granted, there will be some stories, just like some fans predictions that seem way out there and don’t make sense, but just as much as we have a right to write down our opinions, the comic creators are the one’s with the job telling the stories, not us. Some fans love Jeph Loeb, other fans hate him, I’m not here to tell any of you to choose on how you should feel about this writer, but Marvel gave Jeph Loeb the job to tell this red Hulk story, let it also be known that from time to time, Jeph Loeb has announced that Ed McGuinness not only draws the story, but he comes up with the ideas too, so this story is a joint production from both writer and artist. In my opinion these two make such a great team so I will place my trust in them to tell us who this red Hulk is when the time is right. My personal hope is that this new Hulk is someone from the Hulk universe, it would be nice that even though we know that Bruce Banner is still the green Hulk that somehow he is involved with this red Hulk, but if it’s Doc Samson, at least he is apart of the Hulk universe. Before I go, let me just say, I don’t think this new red Hulk is Onslaught, I was just thinking wouldn’t it be interesting if the red Hulk was able to pass on his power from one person to another in the Hulk universe.
phineas curmudgeon
August 28th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Hmmm….Juggernaut. Crimson Gem of Cyttorak could explain the red somehow I suppose.
I was kinda wondering too if it’s not really a Hulk at all, just some extremely powerful being like Craig said taking a Hulk form that may be revealed later.
I really hope that it’s not Onslaught, although he does have Magnus’ hair, and since Devil Dinosaur didn’t have white hair I don’t think it’s him either.
This could very well be an as of yet unrevealed side project gone awry to counterbalance his unethical treatment/ostracism in the Illuminati storyline. Not that this hasn’t been considered or even eluded to, but the Super Soldier/DNA aspect of the Hulk seems to be ripe with the potential to go off in many directions. The new contemporary way of looking at the Hulk is exactly that these days… duplicating the formula or harnessing that power for military applications. It doesn’t answer who, but it does create a whole new sense of irresponsibility in the world like nuclear armageddon.
Despite all of the wonderful theories here, I still feel puzzled by his use of a gun with all of that power at his disposal. That seems like it should mean something more.
I just wanna read the last damned issue now damnit.
p.c./phinny/mudge
Joe
August 30th, 2008 at 4:40 am
What if hes the Red Skull? He has training, he’s currently in Luskins’ body and has been behind the scenes. Also hates SHIELD.
moises
September 1st, 2008 at 12:30 pm
some of the thoughts on who the new hulk is are ridicules.RED SKULL,PUNISHER,THING,JUGERNAUT,ONSLOUGHT,NICK FURY,are you guys reading comics these days none of these make any sense.how about an alternate reality hulk escaped to our dimension can you say maybe we will see the exiles in these pages soon.maybe not but this sounds better than the red skull i,m just saying.
John
September 2nd, 2008 at 11:35 am
I would just like to say again that I don’t think this red Hulk is Onslaught, but we do know Onslaught was able to take over other character’s minds, but instead of taking over their mind, maybe all that power that seperated the World War Hulk verison from Dr. Bruce Banner was passed onto someone else, hopefully though someone from the Hulk universe, because if it is someone outside the Hulk universe, it just wouldn’t make any sense. I love Jeph Loeb’s books and I’m so happy that he’s on this new red Hulk series, but if this new red Hulk is someone outside the Hulk universe, I just wonder how he’ll explain it? I don’t think fans should get mad over other fans opinions and guesses over this mystery, like I said before, I do understand that one could feel a sense of frustration, but at least all these fans aren’t just picking someone and leaving it at that, they pick someone and they leave a reason why they think this new red Hulk is that person so I don’t think they should be faulted for that. If this new red Hulk turns out not to be Doc Samson, I’m hoping it is a new incarination or hybrid of Hulk and I must say, I do like the idea of this being a alter-reality verison of a Hulk, because this isn’t the first time two Hulks from two different worlds have met.
Peace-maker
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Cyttorak himself just may be an option too that no ones considering. And that plays in a couple of different ways. It could explain why he would grant ole Juggy the strength when facing the WWH. The magical balance is totally out wack in Marvel too…Doc Strange getting addicted to summoning ZOM in order to deal with WWH…SI and Incredible Herc shows that Skrull Gods are even trying to take over Earth Gods…The Asgardians are already earth bound…I mean no disrespect to Ares but come on, an Avenger? Talk about desperate…ANYWAY back to the subject at hand, Cyttorak would be awesome because he fit’s nicely as to everything Rulk is displaying. The Marvel gods are all falling to earth and from grace but it would almost deify Hulk with Cyttorak being Rulk. He is a god that can go toe-to-toe with Thor, IMO. Thinking outside of the box a little bit…
Everyone else has been showing up and revealing themselves not able to be Rulk…except Banner himself which I think is a safe bet but that would over look WWH is Banner/Hulk at peace with the other’s existance do to the Illuminati betrayal. WWH’s not merged Hulk but more of shared body blend excepting the other much like it was with Banner/Fixit…
jec
September 3rd, 2008 at 6:04 pm
how about the red hulk is the red king. He was attacked by the wildebots at the end of planet hulk, but we never saw him dead. He followed hulk to earth and has a hate on for the whole planet. He would be able to get info on heros and villians via the starships just like the warbound.
John
September 4th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
It’s no secret that Rick Jones has been a Hulk before.
It’s no secret that the Leader has wanted to steal the Hulk’s power so he could use his smarts and the Hulk’s brute strength to try and take over the world.
It’s no secret that there was even once a Spider-Hulk.
It’s no secret that when the Abomination came onto the scene, due to having more exposure to gamma rays, he was stronger then the Hulk.
It’s no secret that even before Bruce Banner turned into the Hulk that General Ross already had a disliking to him.
It’s no secret that over the years Doc Samson has tried to help cure Bruce Banner from the Hulk.
Fact: Rick Jones is not the new red Hulk. He’s A-Bomb.
Fact: The Leader has encounter Hulk’s Warbound crew.
?Fact?: Spiderman has nothing to do with this new red Hulk.
Fact: The Abomination is dead.
Fact: Before the Helicarrier went down General Ross was on the search for the new red Hulk.
Fact: The last time anyone has seen Doc Samson was when he was in the room with General Ross talking to Bruce Banner.
The three logical choices for who this new red Hulk could be is Bruce Banner, Doc Samson or The Leader. Those three know the Hulk better then anyone else so it would stand to reason that one of them has to be the new red Hulk. From the very get-go, Bruce Banner has been trying to find himself a cure to rid himself of the Hulk. Doc Samson has worked on trying to help Bruce with a cure, but maybe because so many people don’t take him serious, perhaps he would make them pay attention to him by becoming the new red Hulk, because any color Hulk is a force of nature not to be messed with. All the Leader cares about is power and to rule, maybe he found a way to become the Hulk without having to use Banner’s Hulk.
Here’s a wild theory guess.
Back in Civil War Reed Richards and Tony Stark worked on making a clone of Thor and we all know how that turned out. Now granted, these are the same people that put the Hulk into space, but with the kinda smarts these two heroes pocess, I know they probably didn’t think the Hulk would return, but there’s always the what if’s? What if they created a Hulk for just that purpose, if the Hulk returns, it will take another Hulk to beat him down.
Another wild guess…
Everyone knows about the Skrull Secret Invasion, there is a chance that this new red Hulk could be a Skrull.
jec
September 4th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
thinking about it. the red hulk has gamma base security clearence. that should narrow it down a little. samson, quartermain, talbot(we never saw a body under the lava and the madder hulk gets the hotter hulk gets) I’m almost ready to bet it’s col. armbruster.
TYGAH
September 5th, 2008 at 2:16 am
IF IT WERE THE MAESTRO, WOULDN’T HE HAVE REMEMBERED FIGHTING HIMSELF FROM A YOUNGER TIME?
WHILE I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT ITZ DOC SAMSON. HOW ABOUT THIS?
1. THE ENERGY RELEASED FROM THE HULK AT THE END OF WORLD WAR HULK GOES INTO SPACE, MINGLES WITH COSMIC ENERGY TO FORM A NEW BEING, i.e. the RED HULK. THUS STILL MAKING HIM BANNER, IN A MANNER OF SPEAKING.
2. ITZ REALLY CLAY QUARTERMAIN, HENCE THE KNOWLEDGE OF SHIELD OPERATIONS AND SECURITY KNOWING HIS IDENTITY.
John
September 5th, 2008 at 11:51 am
We have to remember in Peter David’s Future Imperfect that the Merged/Professor Hulk sent the Maestro in the past on the very day Dr. Bruce Banner became the Hulk and that gamma blast destroyed the Maestro.
Before Peter David left the Hulk, there was a story that pitted two green Hulks against eachother, the Marvel 616 Hulk against an alternative universe Hulk and that Hulk said that he defeated the Maestro, so how many other alter universes have a Hulk becoming the Maestro? I think it’s safe to say this is probably a reason why some think this new red Hulk could be the Maestro.
The idea of the red Hulk being Shield agent Clay Quatermain is a rule out due to the fact that the character is now dead. There is a chance at one time he could have been the red Hulk, but I’ll get back to that in a sec.
I like the idea of the released energy that parted Hulk from Banner at the end of World War Hulk # 5 could have went into space and mixed itself with cosmic energy to become a new entity within itself. This is how Banner could be involved with the red Hulk.
Taking that idea and kinda mixing it with the “Onslaught” idea, again I don’t think the red Hulk is Onslaught, I’m just saying, instead of taking over a character’s mind, the power of this red Hulk passes from one person to the next. We know that the gun used to kill the Abomination was a Shield Operations model and the red Hulk had clearence on the base, but I think Clay was never exposed to gamma rays so when the red Hulk sensed that Doc Samson was around, he left Clay and went into Doc Samson. Remember that the Hulk had different personas, so while he was with Clay, it makes sense that he would know how to use a gun and mess up Shield’s files on the Hulk. Now if he’s in Doc Samson, you got his power mixed with the combination power of cosmic and gamma rays and he’s a doctor in two different fields, one for the mind and the other for the body, this is a unique mix of brains and muscle, together perhaps nothing can stop this new red Hulk. We know that Doc Samson was involved in both Civil War and World War Hulk, he knows that heroes are still dealing with Captain America’s death, that Mr. Fantastic and Ironman made a clone Thor and when Hulk came back, he was alot stronger then he was before he left and the Warbound crew that he had with him was just as strong as he was if not almost as strong as he was, so you take all of that and remember that he’s a doctor in two different fields, how can one like that take advantage? Let’s not forget that Doc Samson was a friend of the late Betty Ross, if Bruce wasn’t willing to kill the Abomination for what he did to Betty, maybe he would take matter into his own hands, but using a Hulk to do his dirty work.
If it’s not Doc Samson, if this is a new hybrid of a Hulk, since the Hulk lost Cieria during Planet Hulk, maybe that loss was having him remember the loss of Betty Ross so he finally got his revenge against the Abomination.
You wanna know what I find so strange? Do you remember when they first started to promote the new Hulk series and sure, it started with the picture of a half green Hulk and a half red Hulk, but when issue number one was going to come out, there was a cover where Ed McGuinness was paying tribute to the classic Jack Kirby cover, but then all of a sudden that cover was changed to a red Hulk yelling with flames in the background. In the original cover, Doc Samson is in the background along with General Ross and She-Hulk and Ironman is in the sky. We all know that usually it’s Bruce Banner that is suppose to stand in the center and behind him is the Hulk to show transformation, but since this is suppose to be a mystery, I suppose they had to change the cover. It’s an awesome cover, but maybe it was a dead give a way of sorts, who knows.
TYGAH
September 5th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
UR RIGHT ABOUT THE MAESTRO BEING DEAD, BUT U GOTTA ALSO REMEMBER THAT HE WAS REVIVED BECAUSE OF THE EXCESS ENERGY THAT THE BANNERLESS HULK GAVE OFF JUST B4 HEROES REBORN. THAT ENERGY BROUGHT HIM BACK WHOLE. IN FACT HIS SPIRIT WENT INSIDE THE DESTROYER TO BATTLE BULK. IN FACT, IF I’M CORRECT, HIS SPIRIT IS STILL AROUND AFTER THE BATTLE.
AND DON’T FORGET THAT THE HULK TURNED INTO THE MAESTRO WHEN BATTLING THE AVENGERS WHEN ANGEL MEDINA WAS THE ARTIST. SO ITZ POSSIBLE THAT NO MATTER THE TIME LINE, HULK WILL OR COULD BECOME MAESTRO AT ANY GIVEN TIME DURING THE FUTURE.
BEING DEAD HAS NEVER BEEN A PERMANANT ISSUE IN MARVEL, LOL LOL. WITH THAT SAID ITZ POSSIBLE FOR CLAY TO BE ALIVE STILL. EVEN AS THE GRAY HULK, BANNER EMITTED LOW LEVELS OF GAMMA RADIATION, SO ITZ POSSIBLE FOR CLAY TO HAVE ABSORBED IT DURING HIS TIME WITH BANNER AND JONES WHILE SEARCHING FOR THE LEADER BACK WHEN TODD MCFARLAND WAS DRAWING THE HULK.
NOT TO MENTION THAT THE BODY WAS CHARRED, SO IT COULD BE “ASSUMED” THAT IT WAS CLAY THAT WAS BURNED UP.
LIKE I SAID B4, I STILL BELIEVE THAT ITZ SAMSON, BUT THE VARIBLES ARE OUT THERE CREATE OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE IDENTITY OF THE NEW HULK. PLUS, ITZ FUN, LOL LOL LOL.
WE MAY EVEN BE GIVING THE WRITERS NEW IDEAS TO USE, LOL LOL.
John
September 5th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I would just like to say that even if Doc Samson’s pants don’t match the red Hulk’s, that doesn’t mean anything. Who’s to say that along with skin color that the pants don’t change color during a transformation?
I like the idea that the fans response could give writers new ideas, not that they would ever need any, but maybe on the off chance that if they are working on more then one book and they feel like all their ideas are going in all sorts of directions, sure it’s a great possibility to turn to the fans.
Now that you mention it, I do remember the encounter between Hulk and the Destroyer which the Maestro was controling, but if the Maestro is the red Hulk, how come the red Hulk doesn’t appear to look old in age? The Maestro had long hair in the back, while the red Hulk has hair on top of his head. The Maestro is from the future so it is possible he could have advance knowledge in order to take away the Hulk files from Shield and for them not to be able to trace it or repare it. The Maestro is ruthless so I suppose it’s likely he could use a gun, but just like the present day Hulk, there will be an debate about, if you have the power that rivals a god, why use a gun, when it’s plain to see that you really don’t need one at all.
If the Maestro is a spirit and if you mix the energy that seperated the World War Hulk verison away from Bruce Banner, probably mix some of The Sentry’s energy as well and of course cosmic energy, could those four elements have formed the new red Hulk?
I know the way things look, there’s a chance that the red Hulk could be Doc Samson, but the more I hear things relating to Banner, I just love it. Sure we all know that Banner transforms into the green Hulk, but does that really mean that he couldn’t have any involvement with this red Hulk? Every change regarding the Hulk has always involved Bruce Banner and for this not to possibly involve Banner, it just doesn’t feel right. I am a huge fan of Jeph Loeb so I hope he pulls through on this. If Loeb decides to make it Doc Samson, I hope he gives us a good reason for it.
John
September 5th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
I know that Ironman is apart of the team trying to figure out and fighting this new red Hulk, but during Civil War he knew about Reed Richards making a clone out of Thor, what if Ironman is on this team to make sure nobody links him up with the new red Hulk?
What if this new red Hulk is a Skrull? What if the Bruce Banner that turns into the green Hulk is a Skrull and the red Hulk is the real Bruce Banner?
I know this might sound out of reach, but what if this red Hulk is Mephisto? I have to go with another Peter David Hulk story reference. If you recall Rick Jones’ wedding the Hulk and Mephisto had a fight encounter, could the red Hulk be the payback that Mephisto has had in store for the Hulk?
TYGAH
September 5th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
OR IT COULD BE NIGHTMARE. HE STILL HAS ISSUES WITH THE HULK FROM WHEN HE DESTROYED HIS DIMENSION BACK WHEN MIKE MIGNOLA AND BILL MANTLO(?) WAS DRAWING THE BOOK.
THIW WAS WHEN BANNER GAVE IN TI THE SAVAGRY OF THE HULK AND BECAME BRAIN DEAD, SO TO SPEAK. SAVAGE THEN EVEN CHASED NIGHTMARE INTO AN ISSUE OF SPIDERMAN, LOL LOL.
TYGAH
September 5th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
WHEN ANGEL MEDINA WAS DRAWING THE HULK, HE SHOWED THAT THE HULK CAN MUTATE HIS APPEARANCE INTO THAT OF THE MAESTRO, AS WELL AS A LONG HAIRED HULK. MIND IT WAS BECAUSE OF A SHRAPNEL THAT WAS LODGED IN HIS BRAIN BUT HAPPENED NONE THE LESS.
HULK USING A GUN COULD BE LIKE THE ROPE A DOPE, HE KNOWS EVERYONEZ EXPECTING HIM TO USE HIS FIST, SO Y NOT THROW THEM OFF BY DOING WHAZ NOT EXPECTED OF HIM. NOW THEY ARE GONNA PLAN ON HIM USING A GUN AND THEN HE SWITCHES BACK TO THE NORM OF USING HIS FISTS.
BEAUTIFUL STRATEGY…..ONCE AGAIN PROVING THAT IT COULD BE SAMSON, LOL LOL LOL.
John
September 8th, 2008 at 11:45 am
I do recall a issue when the Hulk had to deal with a conflict of mind between Bruce and his dad, it would appear that their heads were coming out of his body, it was like the whole conscience thing when you have a little devil and angel verison of yourselves talking to try and convince you to go one way or another.
I do recall before the Merged/Professor Hulk changed into the Savage Hulk that he did turn into the Maestro and he had a showdown with Thor.
This whole color pants debate shouldn’t really be a issue. If Doc Samson is the red Hulk, we know that the angrier he gets, the hotter he gets, who’s to say that those pants of his don’t become a charcole black color when he turns red?
I once heard a debate years ago when they were asking how does Banner’s blue pants turn purple when he transforms into the Hulk. The answer I heard at that time was due to the gamma rays, but here’s the thing. If you mix green and blue together, you won’t get purple, but if you mix blue and red, then you get purple. So I guess fans will ask, how do tan pants turn black? I’m still sticking with the whole heat thing, when the red Hulk gets hot, things burn or the ground turn into glass, but since we don’t want to see a nude red Hulk, the pants won’t burn off, they’ll just turn black.
Jamgreen
September 10th, 2008 at 8:43 am
Alright, lets put it to rest. I have an inside connection, and All of you are wrong. Its not Samson, or banner, or fury or ares, or any one else. Think to yourselves who really hated Bruce banner the most, besides ross? The answer is simple. Glenn Talbot.
TYGAH
September 10th, 2008 at 10:26 am
ARE U SURE U DON’T MEAN “MATT TALBOT”? GLENN HAS BEEN DEAD FOR YEARS.
IF THIS IS TRUE, THEN THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THE PANTS COLOR FOR THE GUY THAT MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT THE RED HULK’S PANTS FROM BEFORE. “MATT” COULD’VE BEEN IN UNIFORM DURING TRANSFORMATION INTO RED HULK AND ITZ COLOR DARKENED BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF RADIOATIVE OUTPUT OF RED HULK. IN ESSENCE…..THEY WERE BURNT. AS WELL AS, THE MILITARY KNOW HOW TO USE A WEAPON LIKE THE RED HULK AS BEEN DOING.
I STILL SAY ITZ SAMSON THOUGH, SAMSON.
TYGAH
September 10th, 2008 at 11:19 am
NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT, IT MAY NOT BE EITHER TALBOTS. IT COULD BE GLENN TALBOT’S BROTHER, BRIAN!!!!!!!!!!
BRIAN BECAME A MUTATED HULK AFTER BEING GIVEN THE HULK’S AND LEADER’S DNA TO BECOME “GREY” OF THR GAMMA CORPS. SUPPOSE HE WAS EXPOSE TO EVEN HIGHER LEVELS OF SOMETHING CLOSE TO GAMMA RADIATION (I SAY THIS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF GREEN HUE) AND IT CUZ’D HIM TO MUTATE FURTHER.
John
September 10th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Is it just me or does anyone get tired of someone saying they know for sure who it is due to the fact that they know someone from the inside? From what I recall there was someone that said it was the Juggernaut and now we hear it’s Glenn Talbot. Now granted by some miracle if it turns out to be the Juggernaut or Glenn Talbot, I will say that I’m sorry, but fans come on here to take a guess at who this red Hulk is and when you have a person say, you are all wrong, this is the real deal, it can be frustrating to say the least. Marvel’s own Editor and Chief Joe Quesada threw us a curve ball by saying it was Ares, but we all know that Joe likes to kid around, but EIC Joe hired Jeph Loeb to create a mystery that involves a red Hulk so sure fans can come here and keep on guessing who the red Hulk might be, but when the time is right, Jeph Loeb will reveal once and for all who the red Hulk really is. At one time there were fans that thought it was Rick Jones and that was proven wrong. For some time now it really looks to be Doc Samson, but who knows, this could very well be a miss instead of a hit. My hopes are that this is a new hybrid incarination of the Hulk that of course has something to do with Bruce Banner and like I’ve said before, if it’s not Bruce Banner, then have it be someone from the Hulk Universe, because that is the only way it would make any true sense, at least that is my opinion on this matter.
TYGAH
September 10th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
HEY JOHN, U GOTTA LOVE THE CREATIVITY, OR LACK OF IT, WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, LOL LOL LOL.
IF NOTHING ELSE, IT GETZ OUR PSEUDO-WRITER SELVES A CHANCE TO COME UP WITH VARIOUS ALTERNATE ANSWERS TO WHAT WE KNOW THE TRUE WRITERS ARE GONNA USE.
FOR ALL WE KNOW IT COULD BE THE “IRON-ENFORCER” FROM STAN LEE’S “SO YOU WANT TO BE A SUPERHERO” TV SHOW, LOL LOL LOL.
Jamgreen
September 10th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
You really cant say that anybody from the marvel universe has been dead for years. Sure talbot had lava poured on him. maybe it was radioactive red lava? who knows. just dont discount the possibility.
John
September 10th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I hear what you are saying Tygah.
Here’s the deal. The focus on the new red Hulk series was based on what happen at the end of World War Hulk #5, now the death of Glenn Talbot that was years ago, how in the world would that share any real reference to this storyline with the exception that he used to be a key character in the Hulk Universe? There was another Talbot during the World War Hulk series and I can understand the spotlight being on him, then again Jeph Loeb has done a great job not bringing up the name Talbot so this could be another hit or miss. Doc Samson was only in one issue and came up missing in the second and it was his jacket that was found all torn up and bathed in gamma rays, so no one can blame the spotlight being taken away from the Talbots and being placed on Doc Samson. Again I’ll remind all of you, the spotlight was once on Rick Jones and that was a huge miss so it’s anyone’s guess as to who it could be, but Joe Quesada, Mark Pannicca, Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness knows who truly is the red Hulk and I can’t wait on how they plan to make the big reveal. I love the team of Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness but I must admit that I do like what Arthur Adams and Frank Cho are doing on the book. Hey those are two more that might know who the red Hulk is. Ah what the heck, most likely the whole Marvel staff knows who it is, but us fans have to wait until the big reveal. HA!
Jamgreen
September 10th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
True, all this speculation and we’ll all find out at the same time.
Peace-maker
September 11th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Okay, okay, okay…I have to get this off my chest.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but how many would truly be happy with their “answer” if it came to pass?
Not me, although speculating is fun…
The reason I ask is because as a fan of the Hulk (and Marvel U), I’m tired of rehashed villians/antagonists and storyline(s)…especially for the Hulk. I want fresh blood. Plus, everyone coveting Hulk’s power but not wanting the Hulk himself is…annoying.
Planet Hulk was great because we all got to see Hulk truly be HULK. A superhero capable of subduing PLANETS…or destroying them.
WWH was great because any real Hulk fan AGREES with Cho and the rest of the Hulk supporters…
I’m to the point where I don’t want the Rulk to be anyone we know at all. (Although EVERY “class 100″ metabeing looking like either Hulk or Thing has to stop too.) Once this Rulk thing is resolved, I can only hope Hulk takes a new direction…
…like obviously being a better choice than Sentry as an Avenger.
…like sticking the Surfer back on Earth and letting the Hulk be Galactus’ Herald.
…like being Earth’s champion to the rest of the galaxy instead of aliens doing it (more over Captain Marvel).
…like being given the same chance as “real” villians to work with the good guys to “keep an eye on him” (i.e. Mystique, Magneto, Black Widow, and OMG the Thunderbolts!).
…like being a true anti-good guy or anti-bad guy fighting both sides because he’s that big of a threat.
[Speaking of Magneto, he's more justified to be given a counrty to keep the peace than the Hulk is when all Hulk ever wanted was to be left alone? WTF!?! Speaking of mutants, Hulk is most respected, and vice versa, by the X-Men in all of MU anyway. Let's make him a non-mutant X-Man. He has history or connection with most of the major players (good and evil) of X-Men anyway...Wolverine, Beast, Iceman, Angel, Prof X, Jean Grey, Havok, Apocolypse, Magneto, SHIELD, etc.]
Short of Rulk being Banner and Thor getting owned, this conversation is the best thing going for the Hulk.
TYGAH
September 11th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
PERSONALLY, I CAN’T WAIT FOR THE TIME WHEN THEY FINALLY ADMIT THAT BANNER IS A LATENT MUTANT THAT WAS ACTIVATED BY THE GAMMA BOMB.
HAD HE BEEN IN BETTER PHYSICAL SHAPE AND NOT EXPOSED TO THE BOMB, THE GREY HULK IS WHAT HE WOULD’VE BECOME.
John
September 12th, 2008 at 11:40 am
I am totally impressed with what peacemaker and tygah said. These are the kind of thoughts-ideas that really make you think and challenge your mind to think about what is going on with regards to your favorite character in the Marvel Universe. The fact that this new red Hulk series was announced as a mystery, before anything could truly be revealed, we the fans love to take a crack at it, sometimes we win and sometimes we lose, but that is what makes it so fun.
I have a question. When did the Fantastic Four’s Thing join the class of lifting 100 or (100+) tons? I know that he’s really strong, there’s no doubting that, but when did he join the levels of Hulk, Thor, Juggernaut and The Sentry, I’m sure there’s a few more, but you get the point.
Here’s another question. If it was reported that the Hulk’s strength has no limit, why is he classed at the 100+ mark?
Yet another question. Thor is a god, wouldn’t it be safe to say that he too has no limit to his strength and most consider him to be the strongest in the Marvel Universe?
Oh dear, another question. The Sentry’s power is based on a million exploding sun’s, would this also be safe to say that is strength has no limit too?
Last question, I promise. The Juggernaut is a force of nature and he’s given both Hulk and Thor a great run for their money, is there no limit to his strength being that he boast “there’s nothing that can stop the Juggernaut”?
TYGAH
September 12th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
I APPRECIATE THAT, JOHN.
THE ONLY TIME THAT I AN RECALL THE THING BEING AT CLASS 100 WAS HE WAS MUTATED TO THE FORM THAT HAD SPIKES ON HIM. HE THEN WENT TO FIGHT THE GRAY HULK AND GOT THE UPPER HAND FOR A WHILE UNTIL THE GRAY OUT-SMARTED HIM INTO THINKING THAT HE WAS TELEPORTING AWAY ROM THE FIGHT, ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT GRAY WAS JUST JUMPING OUT THE WAY AND THEN ALMOST DROWN THE HULK UNDERWATER.
BEN WAS EVEN UPSET THAT HE LOST AGAIN TO HULK, EVEN AT A HIGHER POWER LEVEL.
AS STRONG AS THOR IS, HE STILL HAS LIMITS. THIS IS WHY HE EITHER PUT ON HIS BELT OF STRENGTH (LIKE HE DID AGAINST KURSE) OR GO INTO A BERSERKER’S RAGE THAT PRETTY MUCH TRIPLES HIS STRENGTH. HE MAY BE EVEN STRONGER NOW BECAUSE OF THE ODIN-POWER AND ANCIENT RUNES SPELLS THAT MAKES HIM MRE POWERFUL THAN ODIN, BUT I THINK THE PHYSICAL STRENGTH RULES ARE STILL THE SAME.
I NEVER KNEW MUCH ABOUT SENTRY, I ALWAYS FIGURED THAT HE A BAD SUPERMAN RIP OFF WITH MENTAL ISSUES. HAVING GLADIATOR WAS MORE THAN GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.
THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN REALLY STOP THE JUGGERNAUT IS…….ARE U READY FOR THIS?
CAIN MARKO!!!!!!!!!
AS PROOF THIS, CHECK OUT AGE OF APOCALYPSE WHEN HE GAVE HIMSELF AN ANURYSM(?) AND DIED.
John
September 12th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer the questions I had Tygah.
I remember people talking about that verison of Thing, but I guess since it took away from his classic look and he had a changed attitude, I guess Marvel figured it was best to revert him back to the original Thing, not to say that’s a bad thing, he’s still very much a powerhouse in his own right.
I’m not trying to be rude or anything, but are you kidding me, Thor had a “belt of strength”!?! Berserk rage huh? So Thor and Hulk do have something in common. I guess it shouldn’t surprise me that Thor might be magic based, but is Marvel treating Hulk like Superman where DC says Captain Marvel is stronger then Superman because he has magic based powers?
Despite The Sentry being a rip-off of DC’s Superman, his power is a million suns exploding for crying out loud. This is a character that ripped Carnage in half and almost took out New York in his battle with the World War Hulk verison of the Hulk, so I’m sure he’s not a character you would want to mess with.
Oh wow the Juggernaut actually died before, I didn’t know that and it was due to himself giving himself an anurysm, how very strange.
I’m still wondering how they can say that the Hulk has limitless strength, but they classify him as a 100+ ton lifter? The Hulk at one time punched an asteroid twice the size of Earth and broke it in half. If I recall right he even lifted an entire mountain on his back to save the other heroes in the Marvel Universe. He prevented a part of Sakaar from cracking up, I know that there is more feats of strength that the Hulk has accomplished, but do you get my point?
TYGAH
September 12th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
I GUESS BY ADDING THE “+” AFTER 100 I S SUPPOSED TO GIVE US AN IDICATION TO HIS POWER LEVEL, BUT I NEEDS TO BE UPDATED TO AT LEAST 1000+. EVEN COLOSSUS BECAME CLASS 100 FOR A WHILE WHEN MARC SILVESTRI WAS DRAWNING THE X-MEN, WHEN THEY FIRST MOVED TO AUSTRALIA.
IN A WAY THE CAPTAIN MARVEL ISSUE IS TRUE, THINK ABOUT IT, SUPERMANZ POWER LEVEL IS DETERMINED BY THE AMOUNT OF SOLAR RADIATION(YELLOW) HE ABSORBS, LIKE SUNSPOT OF THE NEW MUTANTS. WHEREAS CAPTAIN MARVEL IS THE SAME NO MATTER WHERE HE IS, UNLESS THE AREA HAS SOME SORT OF MAGIC RETARDANT.
A MILLION SUNS EXPLODING? I GUESS THATZ IMPRESSIVE, BUT WHEN FACED WITH REAL LIFE PHYSICS. PICTURE THIS….ALL THESE SUNS EXPLODING GIVING OFF ENERGY THAT RIDES OUT IN A WAVE ACROSS THE GALAXY, THE ENERGY BEGIN TO DISSIPATE AT SOME TIME TO GRADUALLY BECOME WEAKER. BASED ON THIS, IT WOULD STAND TO REASON THAT SENTRY COULD HAVE AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF STAMINA, BUT WILL EVENTUALLY TIRE, WHEREAS THE HULK IS RAGE INDUCED AND CONTINUES TO BUILD.
I’D RATHER SEE THE HULK FIGHT THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF SUPREME(FROM IMAGE COMICS). YES, ANOTHER SUPERMAN RIP OF, BUT HE KNEW WHO HE WAS…….”SUPREME”, AND THAT KNOWLEDGE OR COCKINESS IN HIMSELF WAS ENOUGH TO POWER HIM THROUGH SITUATIONS. THE SAME COULD ALMOST BE SAID OF MR. MAJESTIC (WILDSTORM COMICS). BOTH WOULD KICK SENTRY’S BUTT, LOL LOL LOL. SUPERMAN SHOULD SMACK HIM JUST FOR WEARING YELLOW, LOL LOL LOL LOL
NOW THAT I THINK OF IT, WAS MARVEL TRYNA MAKE THE FIGHT BETWEEN HULK AND SENTRY A HOMAGE TO THE SUPERMAN/DOOMDAY FIGHT(THE FIRST ONE)?
john talbot
September 13th, 2008 at 7:06 am
i think its the sentry remember how when they were fighting the radiation that was being given off maybe the sentry absorbed a lot of gama radiation that reacted with the serum that transformed him in to the sentry
John
September 15th, 2008 at 11:35 am
It can’t be the good verison of The Sentry because he’s still apart of the Avengers. I know The Sentry destroyed The Void, but maybe the red Hulk is a mixture of The Void and the World War Hulk verison of the Hulk.
That combination would make one scary killer who just happens to be a powerhouse force of nature.
John
September 15th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Somewhere after World War Hulk #5 and Hulk #1 Doc Samson gets a haircut. Rick Jones becomes A-Bomb. If She-Hulk isn’t hanging out with her Skrull friend, she’s helping out Ironman. “Thunderbolt” Ross is still apart of the Army being the “good” general that he is. Bruce Banner was taken away and put underground in a prison cell. What gets all these characters together? The death of the Abomination. Sure the Abomination could have been a foe to just about anyone in the Marvel Universe, but everyone knows he was perhaps the Hulk’s greatest foe and being that he was the one responsible for Betty’s death, it would be a safe bet that the Hulk is the number one suspect. Of course, how could this be? Bruce is captured and miles below in a prison cell and any hint of him turning green, he’ll get gassed for it, so how did he do it? It’s no surpise that over the years the Hulk has gone through many transformations, but how is this new transformation different from all the rest? How could he escape without anyone ever knowing about it? Let’s jump ahead alittle bit. According to General Ross, Doc Samson heard something and went to find out what it was and nobody has seen him since. She-Hulk gets taken away and beat down by this red Hulk. Ironman encounters the red Hulk and he gets a plane thrown on him and he loses his Helicarrier. The red Hulk tries to kill Rick Jones, but he ends up transforming into A-Bomb and it reintroduces a new rivalry. What happens next, sure it’s exciting, but it throws all Bruce Banner fans down and out when the red Hulk is confronted by the green Hulk. We all know in the past anyone that tried to rival the Hulk, powerwise would be proven you just can’t best the Hulk, but this time the Hulk meant his match, a new hotter verison of himself. One capable of breaking his arm to say the least. We of course come to find out that this red Hulk has encounter a tribe of Wendigos and kills one. When the green Hulk has fallen to the red Hulk, here comes Thor. We know that for years this match-up has been a tie or a draw, no clear winner has come out. Today’s Thor is suppose to be way better then he was before, alot more powerful and yet, the red Hulk took everything he had, found a way to outsmart him and out power him, I’m sure there will probably be another fight between the two later, but on that day, this red Hulk was the better man, as they would say in a fight. Now we await for the re-match between the green Hulk and the red Hulk, but is there any hope that the green Hulk will win, being that he already recieved a broken arm and the red Hulk has been through so much and it still doesn’t seem like he’s broken a sweat whatsoever. We all know now that the red Hulk is the reason why the Abomination is dead, now the mystery is of course, who is this red Hulk if he isn’t Bruce Banner? Will it ever be announced what the noise was that Doc Samson heard or was that a cover-up on his part so no one would ever know that he was indeed the red Hulk? Even though we know that Bruce Banner can transform into the green Hulk, is there any possible way that he could be related to the red Hulk? Things seem to be more in favor for Doc Samson, but nobody is ruling Bruce Banner out of this just yet. Only time will tell on this one.
Anonymous
September 15th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
DUDE!! THE HINTS ARE ALL OVER THE COMICS THEMSELVES!!! ITS DOC SAMSON!
Drew
September 15th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Hey bone heads i keep telling you it is Caine Marco because he is the only character that has not been seen in a while.
TYGAH
September 15th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
THAT CHARACTER DOESN’T EXIST, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON UR MEANING “CAIN MARKO”, UR REASONING DOESN’T HOLD WATER.
THE SAME COULD BE SAID OF CAPTAIN AMERICA, SABRETOOTH, THE BLOB, AVALANCE, THE LEADER, THE MOLE MAN, SASQUATCH AND THOR’S BROTHER, VIDAL. LACK OF APPEARANCE DON’T EQUAL A SENSIBLE ANSWER.
John
September 16th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
There’s no doubt that there are hints that spell out or scream out this red Hulk is Doc Samson, but it is still a wait and see process.
Again with this, please everyone stop holding your breath to wait for the answer, it’s right here, it’s Cain Marko-the Juggernaut. I agree with Tygah, you can’t just say we haven’t seen him in awhile so that’s what makes him the “apparent” choice, fans before you that have come on here have not just give their opinion on who it is, they have given reasons why they think it’s him so perhaps next time while you consider Cain Marko, give more reasons and stop making it seem like the fans are wasting their time.
Tygah I have some questions for you. I’m sure you have already seen me post these before in my past posts, but you have been nice enough to answer some of my questions as of recent so I figure I should ask you about these ones.
Despite Ironman being one of the heroes trying to figure out who the red Hulk is, we know that in Civil War that a clone Thor was made, do you think during the time Hulk was undergoing Planet Hulk and preparing for World War Hulk that this red Hulk was created by Ironman or Reed Richards or both?
Do you think that the red Hulk has any involvement with the Skrulls and their Secret Invasion?
Do you think when Marvel finds a way to have Skaar meet his father the Hulk that the red Hulk might interfer?
You have always had great and insightful answers in the past, I was just wondering what you thought about things questions. See you and the other fans next time.
TYGAH
September 16th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
I DIDN’T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE, BUT THERE’S NO WAY THAT IT COULD BE CAIN MARKO:
YES, HEZ SUPER STRONG
YES, HE HAS A MILITARY BACKGROUND
YES, HEZ FOUGHT THE HULK BEFORE
BUT ALL THAT MEANS NOTHING!!!!!!
WHY????
CAIN IS TOO MUCH OF A GRAPPLER TO USE A WEAPON.
UNLESS IT WAS AN ACCIDENT, CAIN IS SATISFIED BEING POWERED BY CYTORRAK.
(AND MOST IMPORTANT)
THE GOVERNMENT BASED WOULD NOT HAVE HAD HIM IN THEIR PERSONNEL FOR THE ROBOT TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY HIM WHEN IT READ HIS RETINA SCAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
IRON MAN/TONY STARK IS TOO SNEAKY FOR MY LIKING. I SEE HIM AS BEING A FEW STEPS AWAY FROM BEING DOCTOR DOOM.
TONY HAS A SIDE TO HIM THAT FOLKS ARE NOT AWARE OFF, THIS SIDE IS WHAT CAN MAKE HIM A SUPERB VILLIAN AS SEEN WHEN HE WAS MIND CONTROLLED AND KILLED YELLOWJACKET(FEMALE) AND DID MORE WICKED STUFF.
PLUS, IF U REALLY DO UR HISTORY, STARK IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL CREATORS OF S.H.I.E.L.D. IN THE FIRST PLACE, SO ESPIONAGE IS ALREADY A PART OF HIS REPETOIRE. SO, I’M BEING ACTIVELY IN THE LIMELIGHT NOW IS STILL JUST A SMOKESCREEN.
I FEEL IF THEY CAN CREATE A HULK, THEY CAN CREATE ANYTHING. MIND U, THEY STARTED OUT LMD’S (LIFE MODEL DECOYS), SO, THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP IS TO CREATE CLONES OF THE HEROES, AS WELL AS VILLIANS, TO USE FOR LATER DATES. FOR ALL THE REST OF THE ILLUMINATI KNOWS, THERE MAY BE CLONES OF THEM HANGING AROUND SOMEWHERE. WHICH IN XAVIER’S CASE WOULD NOT BE A GOOD THING CUZ OF HIS TIES WITH MR. SINISTER (HE CARRIES HIS DNA).
ITZ POSSIBLE FOR THERE TO BE A SKRULL HULK, BUT THE RISK WOULD BE TOO MUCH, WHENEVER THE REAL HULK CAME BACK. HIS POWER LEVEL NORMALLY CAN’T BE MATCHED. PLUS, I THINK HE MIGHT’VE BEEN DESTROYED BACK WHEN THE X-MEN FIRST DISCOVERED THEIR TO PLAN TO REPLACE ALL THE HEROES WITH SKRULLS. THEY SHOWED CAPTAIN MARVELL, THUNDERBIRD AND A LOT MORE THERE, AT SOME SORT OF TRAINING FACILITY. THEY EVEN HAD PAST X-MEN TOO. THIS GOES WAAAAY BACK SOME YEARS WHEN THE X-MEN WAS PULLED INTO THE PAST BY ACCIDENT. ALAN DAVIS WAS THE ARTIST THEN.
THIS WAS WHEN THE SKRULL THRONEWORLD WAS ABOUT TO BE EATEN BY GALACTUS, MARROW WAS GIVEN A NEW FORM THAT COULD CONTROL HER BONE GROWTHS AND GAMBIT BECAME MORE PROTECTIVE OF HER WHEN HE REALIZED THAT SHE WAS THE LITTLE GIRL HE SAVED IN THE TUNNELS DURING THE MUTANT MASSACRE.
BASED ON THE TIME USED TO FINALLY HAVE THEM MEET, IT COULD BE REALLY INTERESTING. THE HULK WOULD NATURALLY FIGHT SKAAR, BUT THEN REALIZE WHO HE REALLY IS TO HIM, BUT MIGHT BE AFRAID ALSO. BANNER ONLY IDEA OF A FATHER WAS BRIAN BANNER, HIS FATHER AND MAY NOT WANT TO, IN HIS EYES, CORRUPT HIS SON LIKE BRIAN DID TO BRUCE. OR JUST WELCOME HIM IN OPEN ARMS CUZ OF WHO IS MOTHER WAS. BUT IT’LL BE NICE TO SEE IF HULK CAN ADAPT TO SKAAR’S FIGHTING STYLE. UNLESS HULK TRANSFORMS INTO WORLD WAR HULK, HULK. I DON’T THINK HE’D STAND A CHANCE UNTIL HE RAGES UP AND OVERPOWERS HIM.
NOW IF THE RED HULK IS STILL AROUND AT THIS TIME, THAT COULD BE INTERESTING ALSO….HE MIGHT TRY TO LURE SKAAR TO THE DARK SIDE AND WHO BETTER TO HAVE AT UR SIDE THAN UR DNA KIN?
John
September 16th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Thank you Tygah. Your wisdom on comics is very insightful.
I do have more questions based on what you said, it’s not that I didn’t understand, it’s just I would like to hear alittle more on what you have to say about it.
It almost seems like you are implying that Hulk’s son is stronger then him, now granted his son isn’t just the Hulk, he is also Caiera too, but with his son being a relatively new character, is it really possible that he could of already surpassed his father?
I would think with the history that Hulk had on Planet Sakaar with the red King and now with his son, and OMG I can’t believe I forgot what that red villian that he is fighting is called, but would there really be a reason for Skaar to join forces with the red Hulk?
If the Skrulls have the technology to mix a variety of superheroes into a one of their own, sure I buy into the idea that Hulk’s power is too much to handle, but if Reed Richards and Tony Stark could clone a god (Thor), couldn’t an alien race clone a man-monster? Or they can make it look like they cloned one, but of course it’s one of their own to transform into the look. What about Hulkling?
Man oh man this was all about trying to figure out who the red Hulk is and look what it is turning into now. LOL!!!
TYGAH
September 16th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
SKAAR JUST MAY BE MORE POWERFUL THAN HIS FATHER SIMPLY FROM THE MENTAL STANDPOINT ALONE. SKAAR, BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR, DOESN’T HAVE MPD, SO THAT MEANS HEZ ALWAYS IN HIS RIGHT MIND AT ALL TIMES. THE HULK’S POWER LEVEL IS DEPENDENT ON WHICH ASPECT OF HIMSELF IS OUT AT THE TIME.
THAT AND THE FACT THAT HE MAY HAVE HIS MOTHERZ ABILITIES AS WELL.
MARVEL’S CHILDREN USUALLY DO SURPASS THEIR PARENTS IN POWER.
CABLE – CYCLOPS AND MADELYNE PRYOR
NATE GREY – CYCLOPS AND JEAN GREY
RACHEL SUMMERS/GREY – CYCLOPS AND JEAN GREY
LEGION – CHARLES XAVIER AND GABRIELLE HALLER
SCARLET WITCH – MAGNETO AND MAGDA
FRANKLIN RICHARDS – REED AND SUSAN RICHARDS
ETC……..
HULKING IS ACTUALLY A MUTANT OR HYBRID, LIKE SUBMARINER. HIS OTHERZ A SKRULL, BUT HIS FATHER WAS CAPTAIN MARVEL.
SURE THEY CLONED THOE, BUT AS U CAN SEE, IT COULDN’T MEASURE UP TO THE REAL THING, LOL LOL. HOW DO U DESTROY A CLONE OF THOR BY LIGHTENING AND STRENGTH? LOL LOL LOL LOL.
THEY NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON THAT ONE, LOL.
John
September 17th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Thank you Tygah.
You see this is what I’m talking about. Just like the question of asking who the red Hulk is, I ask another question, well in this case, more then one question and Tygah, a fan like all other fans comes back, looks at the question, thinks about it and shares what they think and feel about the question. The answer that Tygah gives off, it doesn’t feel like it’s being forced on me or anyone else that reads it and in Tygah’s case, he also adds humor to it, so again Thank you Tygah.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it Hercules that put an end to the clone Thor?
Before anyone answer’s this question, I have heard that Thor’s clone otherwise known as Clor isn’t finished just yet.
I think it’s really interesting that Hulk’s son could have the upper hand due to his metal state, whereas it depends on what metal state the Hulk is in. This raises two questions for me.
The current Hulk might not share the same mind set as his son, but compared to his son, he has way more experience in the battlefield, so that has to count for something, right?
Even though we are still trying to figure out who this red Hulk is, we know that he’s really smart, truly cunning, so would a fight with the red Hulk be a better challenge for Skaar?
We all want to see Hulk and Skaar meet, a father and son encounter, but of course since we are also dealing with a red Hulk, it does raise a question, which Hulk will meet Skaar first? Just because we all want the green Hulk to meet up with Skaar doesn’t mean that-that will be the case. I think it would make the story more interesting if Skaar came across the red Hulk first and let him be the one to hand the red Hulk his first defeat and then have a happy father and son encounter, but I’m sure that will lead to a fight as well, but you get the picture, right?
jec
September 17th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Leob is not going to give obvious clues like a haircut tell who a character is, he did a great job in Batman keeping the secret of Hush. I think with his age some of the older Hulk books and villians are what he read while he was younger and would like to see some of those villians return. What if the missing link is involved, heat radiation. The Leader making a return. Some of the villians from the Tales to Astonish books there were some very good characters they used once or twice and kinda threw away. That is what I expect from Leob. And lets face it anytime a old character is reintroduced the comic stores are buzzing for the back issue market sales. It all about the money. Make mine Marvel MMMS
jec
September 17th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
I also like the idea someone touched onto about the gamma corps. what if the red hulk was created just the same but came out unstable and was not ment to be used on the team because of that fact. it would give reason to introduce john doe with gammabase clearance yet bring in a new name altogather. he was an unstable killing machine they screwed up on. in all of the hulks adventures gamma rays have never been positive. it may look like it at first, but it always creates a monster sooner or later.
John
September 17th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Pretty interesting stuff there Jec. I don’t think fans should just look at the fact that Doc Samson has a haircut so that right there should prove he is the red Hulk. Bruce Banner thinks it’s either another manifestation of his psyche or someone who has already been exposed to gamma-rays and of course we know that Doc Samson has been. The fact that he hears a noise and goes to invesigate it and is to never be seen again, it just seems very mysterious. The fact that a coat that belongs to Doc Samson is found all torn up but exposed to gamma-rays, so even if Jeph Loeb decides not to have Doc Samson as this new red Hulk, I don’t think anyone could blame anyone else for thinking, of course it has to be him.
I absolutely loved Batman:Hush, it’s my favorite Batman story and I know where you are coming from. When the time is right Jeph Loeb will let us all know. The whole Gamma Corps thing, this is why I was asking earlier since we know that a clone of Thor was made and Mr. Fantastic and Ironman made and knew about it, can the same be said about this new red Hulk? I do like the idea that maybe the experiment went way wrong, because they couldn’t handle him and he is like the perfect killing machine, but only time will tell on that one.
Peace-maker
September 17th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Does anyone remember MVP being alive as well as his clones being the Scarlet Spiders?
Why do I bring this up?
Well, its the direction of Marvel U has been taking. There have been an influx of returning characters being revamped and newly introduced characters like MVP taking unusual directions.
Again, why do i bring this up you ask?
THEORY: Rulk is Michael Pointer.
Beast: “All that energy released has to go somewhere…”
Obviously he has shown that he’s a sponge for energy absorbtion and that was A LOT of power given off at the end of WWH. A tried and proven comic plot twister is what we have going on currently: altered-colored superhero clone(ish) dude. (For example: see Wendigo, Cable, Original Human Torch.) Its plausible that with absorbing Hulk’s energy, the Hulk “persona” has the dominate control. As well, it also would explain the madder/hotter thing because Rulk is more of a solidified energy being and anger triggers energy radiation mimicking the Hulk the best it can. Also, when he first stepped on the scene and the Rulk stepping on the scene are very similar behaviors.
As to Skaar, maybe in a Hulk Annual after things unfold. And children and/or hybrids do tend to be stronger and are often mutants. (Please excuse me for one second because I’ve been wanting to vent about this for quite some time: Submariner, Mr. Proud of who and what I am, OWN UP TO YOUR MUTANT HERITAGE YOU PUNK!!! Sorry about that…) But even with that being said, if we go WWSkaar, let Stark get his ass kicked again. I’ve been saying it for a while, Stark’s actions is looking more like Mr. Sinister, right down to the cloning of Thor. He gets the biggest pass in the superhero community for his blunders. Is it no wonder he vouches for Sentry? With his potential to turn all Void, split personality and all, HOW IS SENTRY SAFER THAN THE HULK!?! AT LEAST HULK’S A PROVEN “GOOD” GUY! EVEN BY CAPTAIN AMERICA’S STANDARDS!!! But back to the point of Skaar, no I don’t think he could beat the Hulk any more than I think Daken can really beat Logan. (And yes, that’s Logan damnit!)
Peace-maker
September 17th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
…and why do people like Doc Samson?
Really…i just don’t get that guy’s appeal.
No, I’m not talking about why people think he’s Rulk. Why do people like him at all? Samson should be leader of the Great Lake Avengers or something…
Just to put it out there, could that emotion controlling bad guy (I think he’s from the Microverse) have anything to do with Rulk?
Or…could Rulk have something to do with Kane and his time jumping antics?
John
September 18th, 2008 at 11:23 am
What is MVP’s relationship with the Hulk?
Does MVP know that the Hulk is Bruce Banner? Whoever this red Hulk is, he of course knows that Bruce Banner is the Hulk. This red Hulk knows alot about Hulk and Bruce’s past and personality so it would make sense if it was Doc Samson, but like I’ve always said, I hope that this red Hulk is someone from the Hulk Universe, and forgive me if I forgot or don’t know exactly everything about the Hulk, but how does MVP fit into the Hulk Universe?
I think rather then asking why Doc Samson is liked or has an appeal, maybe Marvel feels that his character hasn’t been used all that much so with this new mystery storyline they got with the Hulk, perhaps it will give the character some relevance, spark more interest in the Doc Samson character.
jec
September 18th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
in the past gamma rays have taken a persons weakness and turned them in strengths, bruce being a weakling, samson being a weakling, jen walters was small of stature. Sasquach was the only large of stature person it made large and strong, but he really released and merged with one of the great beast of the north. If a person is rather fat it makes them fatter. it takes what what your body provides and builds on that. the origional abomination was larger than banner and therefor stronger than hulk at first. if marvel keeps with the theory and it looks like they have when she-hulk was able to beat champion, the new hulk may have started as a rather small person and built on that. now the big question is who. there must be some person who has been in the hulk universe who was upset with bruce, a lot of them are, he was at the top of his class in school. madman finished in the bottom of his class and became a hulk like villian. samson wouldn’t have the same feelings of hate another would have. i like the idea of the leader being the mastermind behind this all. he has motive, he has done expariments on people using gamma rays, and we havn’t seen him in a while. he is a classic villian for both the hulk and for banner.
Peace-maker
September 18th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
No, John, you misunderstand what I’m saying. I was using what happened to MVP as a character as an example.
What’s wrong with a new face, a new character? I remember when Marvel introduce Xorn for the X-Men. Totally cool new mutant. Then he turns out to be Mags. After the shock value wore off, I was bumbed out. A new character turns out be some old character. (Sorry, Mags) All the same, I love Winter Soldier (bummed that he’s Bucky) but they pulled his return off nicely because he replaced Steve Rogers as Captain America. Plus, we’re not even talking about a serious threat/arch-rival that really would make you say “wow”. Doc Samson doesn’t “wow” me if he’s Rulk. I would feel hosed…
Peace-maker
September 18th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Great points, jec. Leader gives you a better “wow” with a motive but I’m having a hard time believing Leader could catch up to Hulk/Banner…at least in dealing with a WWH.
You make a great point on the person being of small stature that would have it out for Hulk. Who DOES fit the bill? Not just in Hulk’s Universe but Marvel U. The Hulk has been involved with more than just his U…
…can anyone tell me what happened right before Planet Hulk? Rulk seems like he has been waiting, biding his time…maybe we don’t have to look back that far into HU history for a canidate that fits the bill…
jec
September 18th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
what if? and i mean that what if. we need to look at a different area, say the moon. hulk did a major smacksown on blackbolt. the inhumans don’t to kindly to one of there own getting the butts handed to them. the royal family is always looking for a fight, and blackbolt getting beat near to death by hulk would be enough for them to strike back. how to empower an inhuman to take on the hulk? terrigen mist. it works on each inhuman in different ways. and, they have a past. with kree tech they could have a “sleeper agent” on gamma base.
jec
September 18th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
another thought. kree agents. with the skrulls trying to take the earth wouldn’t the kree have something to say about that? they have the tech the ability and the motive. look how easily mar-vell fit in on earth. and it would keep in continuity. besides what would best weapon for the kree but one of the strongest beings on the planet, with brains, and the ability to use a weapon. it would make a good follow up series “world war earth”
John
September 18th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
I’m sorry for the mis-understanding Peacemaker.
I have a question regarding the Leader’s involvement. If by any chance the Leader is apart of it, could he have given the red Hulk the assignment to take out the Abomination? The Abomination used to work for the Leader, maybe if the red Hulk is the Leader’s new strong man, perhaps the message that was being sent was, out with the old, in with the new. Just a thought.
The Inhumans idea is pretty interesting, but how do we know that the World War Hulk verison of Hulk didn’t beat down the Skrull verison of Black Bolt or was it the real Black Bolt?
Sure we know about the classic Skrull-Kree war and yeah I guess it has some appeal to being a cool and great idea to have something to do with this new red Hulk, but I’m hoping it doesn’t involve it.
Is Doc Samson the only gamma exposed person that didn’t turn completely green? Wait a sec I think we also have a case with Alpha Flight Sasquatch who is orange, but the reason why I’m asking this is, if Bruce Banner says it could be someone who has already been exposed to gamma rays and most of them have turned green, how then do you make that person red? I know why Marvel decided to go from gray to green with the Hulk, but I still wonder how one could go from gray to green too. We know that the green verison Hulk is stronger then the gray verison and I guess it is safe to say that the red Hulk is stronger then the green Hulk and even though we have seen the red Hulk battle the green Hulk, could this be evolution working in the Hulk Universe?
jec
September 19th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
is the term high evolutionary working his way onto this page? they do have a past, and he’s not to good at what he does, and what he does is not to good. i’m not to sure if he’s been around since the evolutionary war. the gremlin has gamma powered mutation and stayed a gray color. i still like the idea there is a powerful mind behind all of this, so once the red hulk is stopped the bigger threat is still there. controlling things with his intelligence.
jec
September 19th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
for the watcher to be interested enough to watch the green hulk and red hulk fight it must have a huge inpact in the universe. he dosn’t just get ringside seats to any old fight. if it was galactus he’s there, if it’s thanos with the infinity gauntlet he’s there. but hulk vs hulk on earth contained, he would observe from the moon, he always has and always will, unless he’s helping out in some way.
jec
September 20th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
hi!im mae.im writing on my dad (jim)s acount.I do not know alot about superheros,but im learning more about them from my dad of coarse.im
trying to learn more on the red hulk.Since my dad owns a small buisness
in crawford,NE,(a comic book store with over maybe 200 books)its easy
tolearn about the red hulk,since my dad owns the book store.my dad told me alittle about the red hulk.My dad also told me also about other heros.My fav is supergirl.
thanks,
MAE
Peace-maker
September 21st, 2008 at 10:35 pm
High Evolutionary…I LIKE! I forgot about Mr. Isotope Alphabet Soup! Lol.
Watcher always shows up at the important events…true.
What if En Sabah Nur has to do with all of this? Him and Watcher are buds (as much as they can be…lol). Hulk was a Horseman (War). We’ve seen how far reaching the manipulations of Apocy re-rearing its head. Celestials owns Apocy and what better way for him to step up like they want him to than with Hulk. He’s a metamorph after all…not beyond weapons…great manipulator…etc…
John
September 22nd, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Before the first issue came out, it was already announced that The Watcher would get punched out and yeah it is very interesting that he would come down to Earth just to see the clash between the red and green Hulk. It’s more interesting to see that it looks like the red Hulk knew about it. Each issue has certain and number of clues, it’s just a matter of time before someone completes this mystery as if it was a puzzle. I can’t wait to see how everything turns out, until then, it’s always fun to see what fellow fans think what is going on.
jec
September 22nd, 2008 at 1:28 pm
doc samson is a smart man on earth, not the nearly in league with banner or reed richards, but he wouldn’t have a clue as to the where about of the watcher. he may understand Uatu’s purpose to watch but he’s beneath the concept of why. he wouldn’t be able to predict his coming and goings. the leader, the high evolutionary, and apocalypse would all have some knowledge of how he works and when he comes and goes. building on the fact that gamma rays take what you have to offer and builds on that. the leader was uneducated, abomination was average, banner was smart but frail, she hulk was small, samson was even a small geeky dude, and so on. what if there was a person who was not to smart and quite frail who was exposed? would we have a new smarter stronger character who now understands the jokes people have pulled over on him all his life, and would he want to get evan? every person exposed to gamma rays has shown unstable rages or temper or cockiness at some point.
John
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Banner, Richards, and Samson are men of science. Sure Samson’s field of science differs from Banner and Richards, but how do you really compare IQ’s? I could recall growing up where you would hear parents say, I wish my child would become a doctor or a lawyer, because those two jobs pay very well and you’ll become very successful if you become great in either field. Here’s the thing. You take two people. One is a doctor and one is a lawyer. One helps to cure people while the other helps defend people. How do you compare which one is smarter then the other? Just something to think about is all.
jec
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:53 pm
does any body remember the name tyrannus. his quest for power has led him down this road before, and he has a past with both banner and also the abomination. he thinks himself so far above everybody else he would take a shot at a watcher. he’s smart and has a workforce devoted to him. no more mind control or swapping bodies he may have made his own.
jec
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:01 pm
if a white person like banner gets mad first his face turns red, and then he turns green, could it be that when a skrull gets mad he turns from green to white and then red. food for thought.
jec
September 22nd, 2008 at 4:22 pm
all i’m saying is this samson is a trained psychiatrist while banner and richards are trained in physics. as for as a mental understanding as to why mentally someone does something, samsons the man. but as far as explaining the what and whys, comings and goings of universal beings that would more in a physicist area. the education process is completly different. samson is smart enough to understand why the theory but i don’t think he smart enough to develop the theory himself. looking at the samson charactor over the years he started as a super genius sucking on a pipe, he’s at the top of his field but everything he seems to have done since his transformation has blown up in his face. and not just with bruce banner, but jen walters as well.
Peace-maker
September 22nd, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Uatu isn’t a “good” guy. He’s a Watcher, the polar opposite of the Celestials. He’s more about earth continuing (job security) than anything else, making appearances at pivotal moments in MU. This is one of them. Also, he can only be percieved by higher minds and be remembered by even higher minds than that. Those that can divine his reasonings have consistant interaction with him. I bring that up to expand on the point of Rulk noticing Uatu in the first place…great point. It weakens the Rulk/Samson argument.
Samson isn’t in Richards’ or Banner’s league in the IQ department. Comparing him to those guys is like comparing Frued to Einstien or Tesla. Not to say Samson isn’t smart, just nowhere near that level of genius.
The hardest thing to divine about Rulk is what the gamma radiation actually had to start with. From stupid to genius, from weak to strong, is Rulk from pacifist to warrior or vendictive or vengeful?
What would the effects be on Kree or Inhuman? (More far reaching, an Atlantian?) We associate gamma green only to white humans…which begs the question, does a black human turn green too?
“…but everything he seems to have done since his transformation has blown up in his face.” Doc Samson have always come across as envious to me as to the full potential of gamma radiation. I really never took his actions as trying to help Banner, but just to help his gamma radiated ego…a second leaguer at best. Lol.
Jamgreen
September 23rd, 2008 at 9:41 am
it’s deg. NOT Samson. geez
Jamgreen
September 23rd, 2008 at 9:41 am
it’s def. NOT Samson. geez
jec
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:17 pm
i think with the way marvel has stated gamma rays work it would take a quiet person more on the shy side to make him/her a complete @$$. to make them as strong as the hulk they would be a little smaller in stature. if the red hulk is stronger than the green hulk than, as a regular human he would probally be a little larger then banner. why is he red? gamma rays do effect people differently. i think the massive release of gamma rays he releases along with the heat, he is in the process of burning out. after this happens we may find out who red hulk is. and like spawn, he is due to use up all of his power he just dosn’t know when. as far as somebody with an understanding of the watchers behaviors, i would think any higher up at shield (quarterman) would have some kind of knowledge. if gamma rays are not changing the personality of this character than i still think i like tyrannus.
John
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm
If it is not Doc Samson then at least tell us why you don’t think it’s him, instead of making it sound like those who think it is him are fools for doing so.
I thought that was very interesting and funny.
Banner turns red when he gets mad but when he makes his full transformation he is green whereas with a Skrull which is green might turn white when he or she gets angry, now by saying that, does that make it easy for them to morph or clone themselves better to look like the heroes in the Marvel Universe? LOL I know that is a dumb question, but I just had to throw it out there.
We can’t always assume that all white people who mix themselves up with gamma rays turn green, because Banner was gray before he was ever green. Igor is gray too. The only thing that turned green for Doc Samson was his hair.
I must say I do like the Tyrannas idea, it’s someone that we haven’t seen for awhile and I think that would surprise alot of Hulk fans. The whole mystery isn’t just about how and why this new Hulk is red, but of course regarding the death of the Abomination. Everyone knows that Abomination is a villian-rogue for the Hulk, but what real motative does this red Hulk have for killing him? Despite Bruce Banner being kept underground in a prison it makes sense that he would be a suspect because he is the original Hulk and the Abomination killed Betty, but who else could the Abomination have wronged?
An idea popped up and I know all of you are going to laugh at me for this, but just think about this for a sec.
This idea is kinda based on the Hulk cartoon.
What if the red Hulk was Igor?
He worked alongside The Leader. He knows alot about both Hulk and the Abomination. We know that he has always wanted to find a way to find a cure to make himself normal again, what if his experiments went wrong and instead of reverting back to normal, it transformed him into this new red Hulk? I know this sounds far-fetched more then you can ever know, but who would have ever guessed it would be Igor? I don’t think anyone would ever see that one coming.
jec
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:16 pm
samson was present at the time of the hulk sentry fight at the end of ww hulk(as were all of the other heros) he may have absorbed the gamma rays the hulk was letting off, but sentry and robert reynolds was at ground zero. physics tells us huge amounts of energy can change matter, but can it create a new life altogether, getting back to what someone said earlier about the sentry and the void? was the gamma rays and the power of a billion expolding suns enough to give the void a life of his own apart from reynolds? he has a history with all characters in the marvel u , some just don’t remember. this would make a more interresting sentry. he would have more superman type problems, like not crushing loved ones, etc. as for the other heros at ground zero other changes would occur other than samson changing in a red hulk. gamma ray exposer in the past has turned ben grimm from the thing back to human form, cancelling out the cosmic rays in his system, it should do the same to the rest of the ff. i’m not saying it’s not samson, but if it is it’s not much of a mystery, and i think leob is going for the mystery. reynolds is kind of a shy quiet type and his build is similar if not smaller to banner.
jec
September 23rd, 2008 at 2:25 pm
the return of steve rogers. lol. loeb is doing captain america white.
John
September 23rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
We do know that Jeph Loeb is working on both the Hulk series and Captain America: White, but if this red Hulk turns out to be the return of Steve Rogers, not only will it shock the comic world nation, but perhaps the former Captain America wanted to see if he could become more ruby red then Red Skull and of course more powerful. I’m joking but that would really be shocking.
Doc Samson was indeed at the same place where Hulk fought The Sentry so it gives more of a reason that it could be him.
On a earlier post I wrote that it would be interesting if the Void turned out to be this new red Hulk, but before The Sentry destroyed the Void, the Void broke all of Hulk’s bones so why would he want to become a new verison of the Hulk?
Only time will tell what happens.
jec
September 24th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
it’s not really the matter of wants, but a matter of physics. i want oranges to fall off a tree at the speed of light so i don’t have to fresh squeeze, but it won’t ever happen. bruce banner wanted to change his life with the gamma bomb, but not by turning into the hulk. the void may be looking to take on a life of his own be may not have a choice. i still can’t get over the fact so much gamma radiation was released at ground zero and nobody was changed. it was raw unchanneled gamma rays like a bomb would be. don’t get me wrong, i loved planet hulk and ww hulk but i feel this part was overlooked. it wasn’t just gamma radiation but solarradiation and some form shot down by stark, which had alien tech. all of these combined could be empowering a new hulk. heat could be solar radiation, gamma radiation released, we know what that is, but the red transformation a little mix of the alien tech in those rays fired( #5 red coloring) leob is good at what he does so i think we won’t be disapointed at the outcome. thinking back to when he did hush, wizard mag did an article trying to narrow down who hush was the result was never on the list, thay did the same type of article on the red hulk and i’ll bet it’s nobody on that list eather, samson was on the list.
jec
September 24th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
i’v been trying to think of african americans who have played rolls in hulk comics; jim wilson, cracker jack, and shield commander gabe jones. the first two are dead, but gabe jones was starting to get pissed with the whole hulk thing. gabe is a little older but still we dont know how gamma rays would affect him.
Peace-maker
September 24th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
What are the posibilities of any member of Gamma Corp being Rulk?
(And may remind everyone that Samson sucks in general and more so as Rulk.)
Interesting theory on Void being Rulk but I am inclined to agree that the he wouldn’t need to or would be transformed into Rulk.
(Sentry is another lamo character i feel is being forced down fans throats.)
Peace-maker
September 24th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Thanks for that research, jec. I’ve been trying to recall and came up with a short list…
How interesting would GW Bridge as Rulk would be? (Despite the whole hair issue…lol, but hey, Magus had an afro.)
jec
September 24th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
it has been established by marvel comics in print, the hair may change color but the due stays the same. when banner shaved himself bald the hulk was bald. wolverine is the only character who they have stated his hair grows very fast when cut. with a black man would his hair appear curly or straight. if it does stay the same and arnt’t changing that theory within the last 5 or 6 years, it may not be an african american. red hulk has the knowledge of use of fire arms (seems to prefer them) his hair is on the gray side, has a past with banner, rick jones, abomination, gamma base. was present on the helecarrier when it went down in issue #2, and didn’t die in the crash. Ross. her hates banner and would love to fight him one on one, he thinks rick is a smart mouth punk, hated blonski for killing betty. dosn’t like the power stark has with shield, and as a high ranking officer would know something about the watcher, have gammabase clearance. and he has gray hair. the pants red hulk is wearing don’t match up with shield because they wear jumpsuits and they zip up to the neck not button at the waist. samsons pants do fit the bill but so does ross’. i don’t think ross could have survived the helecarrier crash. he has motive, he has been around the gamma rays since first testing started with banner’s bomb, and was present at ground zero in ww hulk. and he was in areas the red hulk destroyed but had left, and red hulk didn’t leave a scratch on him. now if i can just get past the mustach. that would be hard to hide.
jec
September 24th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
aaah, jim starlin’s comics he wrote in that time frame are some of the best reading ever. if any body wants to know what makes mar-vell so special as a hero just read captain marvel #25-34, and the older warlock series. excellent.
James4489
September 24th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Ok so its not Doc Sampson and it sure as hell was never Ares. Im lost now, Sampson was my choice. It has to be Stan Lee
jec
September 24th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
the gray hair fits, but I don’t think he has said “Excelsior” yet.
JCT
September 24th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
I still think it’s Sampson, and Loeb is throwing his usual red herrings out there. And why does Sampson suddenly have long hair again? Even though he’s pictured in the very same issue with short hair (on the “Who is Rulk?” page?? Sloppy writing? Sloppy art? Or maybe there are 2 Sampsons after all!
Sampson is still wearing the shredded black pants that Red Hulk wears, and there’s no telling how much time passed between panels of Sampson dragging Rick’s body away and Ross arriving on the scene.
So, I’m still going with Sampson. But the short haired Sampson we saw in issue 1 — the same pattern Loeb uses in every single thing he writes!
Jamgreen
September 25th, 2008 at 8:11 am
Did i not say it wasnt samson two weeks ago.? GLeNN TALBOT!!
montgomery
September 25th, 2008 at 10:41 am
i was thinking that ross and sampson have long been replaced by skrulls. rick also, and the red hulk is an enhanced super skrull, perhaps gone haywire with the mind-bang of the situation, like we’ve already seen from a character or two in this secret invasion nonsense. this entire group’s mission? to deal with the hulk once and for all in their quest to take over earth. before the illuminati characters stepped in and sent hulk away, of course. then perhaps became reactivated once hulk returned to earth and seemed to be subdued. sadly, that ignorant story line could explain nearly everything very neatly. except for what banner whispered to ross. well, now that i’m writing it it seems stupid but i guess it’s only as stupid as the other stupid ideas and whatever the actual answer will turn out to be. at this point there’s no way it can be anything cool or even reasonable, i don’t think. oh well, what does marvel care, they got my money. anyway, what made me think of skrulls is the language that ross and sampson used at the end, telling rick that that was not “his destiny” and that they’d given red hulk everything he’d needed. just seemed a bit skrully to me at the time that i read it. also, both ross and sampson appeared to be one and the same at the time. i don’t know. whatever. you win, marvel, you sandbagged us all. and your stories bite… thanks for some decent art though, i guess…
montgomery
September 25th, 2008 at 11:14 am
oh yeah, a friend of mine said he thinks that it’s all a coma dream that banner’s experiencing while locked under the desert floor, or a story of an inner battle occurring within banner, being precided over by sampson. of course anything remotely like that would really suck… could explain why NONE of the characters’ involvement makes not one OUNCE of good sense at all…
Jamgreen
September 25th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
LOL…right on Montgomery, your cynicism is amazing.
jec
September 25th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
what better way than to take a subpar character and make him/her better than to change them. it worked with nova, worked with genis-vell, If you are a real mar-vell fan genis sucked hard core until peter david came along. samson would be a much better character as red hulk. and as Stan Lee would say “a hero is only as good as the villian he fights.” he would probally say a lot more than that to. but if marvel comics is going to increase samsons roll in comics , which they have done, make him into something that as hard as he tries he can’t control and the red hulk would be that something. it makes samson better.
montgomery
September 25th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
i can live with “rulk” being samson, i can actually get into that. for some reason i don’t think that’s what’s going on here. plus i don’t think all the fake, poorly executed mystery and lack of narrative drive, apparent misuse of established characters, etc…. has been a necessary treatment. yeah, sorry, i guess it kinda got me down. i guess in recent years i’ve come to really resent the storytelling style of these gigantic crossover titles – unnecessarily repeating whole scenes in multiple books with the purpose of dragging a short storyline out across an entire summer… how rude and lazy. back in the day the editor would just tell you to go check out such and such a mag… and i understand a gimmick to sell titles, but let’s have some real development occur in terms of story and character. i mean, other than the fact that i’m a comics addict and i love awesome art, why do i even care about red hulk? cause he’s red? that’s lame. stan and co. should not rest on the laurels of their millions of fans’ years and years of loyal following, assuming we’ll just by a mag because we’re unyieldingly loyal to a title or an artist or whatever. rather, there should be a fierce loyalty to us. i just tend to feel a little rubbed raw about paying my hard-earned ducats just to be taken for granted. actually i’m being (a small bit) melodramatic here. there’s a bunch of stuff i have really enjoyed over the last couple of years. that’s why i keep rolling the dice, hoping to win every time, i suppose. is that wrong to expect? it is a couple dollars out of my pocket monthly. whatever, i guess these artists and writers are doing at least something resembling their best for their money, i just really hated reading this damn red hulk run. what a bummer. i thought it sucked. and i wonder if i’ll buy #7. i bet marvel has a smirking guess as to that answer. i am honestly not sure though. haha, whatever. they know what the hell they’re doing. getting paid. big deal…
John
September 25th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
I’ve been really looking at what everyone has been saying so far and I’ll admit, some have been cool, while others seem to never fail and try to make themselves either look right or they just don’t seem too much into it and they express that of course in a negative way.
There was a comment earlier that reflected on two Samsons because one had long hair like the original Samson has had and the other which debut in Hulk # 1 and it got me to thinking. Everything really seems to be pointing at Doc Samson to be this new red Hulk, but maybe Jeph Loeb is playing a trick on us by showing it is Doc Samson but the Doc Samson that is the red Hulk turns out to be a Skrull due to the whole Secret Invasion event going on. It’s almost having the best of both worlds. Everything that has come out so far would lead to have fans think it is Doc Samson, but the rest of the heroes are dealing with the Skrull take over and not knowing who really is who, so why not bring that into the Hulk Universe?
Not that I have a problem or anything, but when did this come about Captain Mar-Vell?
montgomery
September 25th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
you are definitely right jec, sampson would definitely be made better for having to meet an order similar to what banner’s been going through since before i was even born. that would make sampson the hulk though… but i see your point. also, i apoligize to this board for my “cynicism.” i realize this isn’t even a crossover title such as i was railing against above, i shouldn’t have dragged that complaint into this conversation. those are my only real marvel complaints though, so i guess i figured i’d get it all out at once. just feel free to PASS MY DOWNHEADED COMMENTS RIGHT ON BY.
Anonymous
September 25th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
No Monty, vent away. If you can’t vent to us, then who can you vent to? I feel your annoyance with the whole comic cost to story-telling value.
I hate to admit it but this being a dreamstate would make all this fits together nicely leaving everyone wondering what would trigger Rulk to life. Sadly, re-used plot devices are common. But that aside, who on Starks’ staff have the psi-power to allow this dreamstate to occur without an actual trigger occuring in Banner? (Come to think about it, Sinister’s back out of the shadows but anycase…)
I don’t think Ross would take to kindly into turning into the beast he’s been hunting…lol, and the ’stache.
Peace-maker
September 25th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
That’s me as Anonymous…sorry.
montgomery
September 26th, 2008 at 10:46 am
has anyone here been reading any of the spiderman new day stuff? i haven’t read the last two issues yet but i noticed that they wear the secret invasion tag and i’m wondering if that means that new day spiderman has indeed been a skrull? i only bring that up here because i feel if that’s the case, if they would let a comic run with a skrull as the main title character without identifying the book as a skrull invasion crossover, then that could poooossssibly be happening with this book. it’s a weak guess though, the skrull and dreamstate explanations all seem a bit too easy. the more i read what everyone here is offering, the more i believe loeb’s got something much bigger, better and more complicated than a mere skrull or dreamstate toss-off in store. today i’m more optimistic i guess. ha!
montgomery
September 26th, 2008 at 11:17 am
i think it is a character who really wants to be hulk, someone jealous of banner’s ability to be hulk. anybody fit that bill?
John
September 26th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Dr. Doom meets Stan Lee
Onslaught Reborn
Wolverine
Ultimate Power
Fallen Son: The Death Of Captain America
Ultimates 3
Hulk
Captain America: White
Ultimate Captain America Annual
Ulitmate Hulk Annual
Ultimatum
These are the books that Jeph Loeb has worked on and will be working on. Since this is about the Hulk in the Marvel 616 Universe, let’s just ignore for a moment Loeb’s work in the Ultimate Universe.
I don’t believe that there’s any connection to Rulk when it comes to Dr. Doom meets Stan Lee.
I don’t believe that there’s any connection to Rulk when it comes to Onslaught Reborn, but this is where Jeph Loeb starts his work on celebrating something from the past and bringing some merit to it in today’s time. It was interesting and cool on how he mixed the whole death of Captain America with it.
Even though there was some what of a recap of the first battle between Hulk and Wolverine while Jeph Loeb was working on the Wolverine series, there still doesn’t seem to be a connection, but maybe there was a hint that Rulk will someday take on Wolverine.
Both Fallen Son and the new Hulk series are direct results of what happens after Captain America’s death and World War Hulk. Around this same time was the talks about Secret Invasion and we’ve heard the stories when it comes to Jeph Loeb and Brain Michael Bendis talking and sharing ideas in the board meetings so maybe we shouldn’t rule out that there is little or some or maybe alot of Skrull involvement with regards to Rulk.
Now there is Captain America: White which is a reflection back on how Captain America and Bucky became really good friends and partners to fight crime so there doesn’t appear to be a connection, but wheter you look at the Marvel or Ultimate Universe, doesn’t it seem like Jeph Loeb is working on alot that deals with both Captain America and the Hulk. Now granted, one can look at it in this way, he is a big fan of both heroes, but is there more to it then that? Is Captain America some how involved in all this?
I still do like the idea of a Doc Samson-Skrull result, but who knows what Jeph Loeb has in store for us. Even though I think the dream state idea sounds cool, it would be more of a cop-out then having this whole thing tie in with either Skrulls or Captain America or Doc Samson.
jec
September 26th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
i just wish marvel would keep the skrulls out of it. bendis is making a great career at reviving heros that the 1970’s threw away. he does a good job at it but still lets see something origional, a interesting new character who can take the strongest the marvel u can throw at it and win. I sure hope we don’t get this flopped character of tthe 70’s brush him off and say he was in a coma for several years. I feel its just a way to keep the copy right on the character. put a big shot artist on it, produce a second printing with fancy cover, and let the readers pay for retaining the character. there is some excellent heros and villians that disappeared in the 70’s. i would even like the idea if this person has been around for 40 years, and has just now changed into this new hulk. the leader’s awsome android? updated of coarse. rhino? he has had plenty of gamma ray injections over the years, it’s how he got his power and he used to wear a gamma charged suit. even bettys brain surgicaly put into a comatose body that was then shot up with gamma rays, you know the whole frankinstien thing.
jec
September 26th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
the hulk story line has been great. better than it’s been in quite awhile. i think its due to the fact he been on his own. planet hulk had no real ties with the marvel u except for motivation for hulk to get home and kick butt. world war hulk was ok, not as good as planet hulk, but i enjoyed reading about hulk kicking everyone’s butt in the marvel u. i like the fact they kept hulk out of civil war and annihilation, they were better for it. i feel the same way about secret invasion. keep the hulk, red and or green, out of it and you have a better story for it. put him in and it shows alien tech can beat hulk where it couldn’t beat him ever before. keep this story part of secret invasion and it becomes ho hum. i mean if the toadmen couldn’t beat the hulk how can the skrulls hope to.
JCT
September 26th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
I’ve seen a couple of other interesting theories out there. There was a Doc Samson mini series in 2006 that featured another, alternate dimension Samson. Could be that.
The skrull thing, of course. (And no, montgomery , Spidey has not been revealed to be a skrull – but the last couple issues have been pretty good, otherwise the Brand New Day run has sucked big time).
Another really wild speculation I read (and this one’s out there) is that this is the beginning of the Reckoning War hinted at in the pages of She-Hulk by Dan Slott and involves the Watchers (specifically a rogue Watcher name Qyre)…
And that whoever this Red Hulk is (Qyre, Samson, other), he is in posession of the Red Infinity Gem (Power) that was in the keeping of Reed Richards.
jec
September 26th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
i like the idea of the power gem. it opens a whole new plot, how did he get it, who is helping him, and it would give a good reason a watcher would be interested in the green/red hulks fight. very nice jct.
John
September 26th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
It’s a very cool idea to have the power gem, but it raises the question, how was that brought up from World War Hulk # 5 and Hulk # 1? The only idea that I could come up with is that red beam that Ironman shot at the World War Hulk verison Hulk came from the power gem, other then that I don’t have a clue as to how it could relate.
Who knew that Reed Richards pocessed it? Was it stolen or used like I just mentioned from above or somehow all of this is an accident like the original gamma bomb blast that turned Bruce Banner into the Hulk.
I remember hearing a case when Rhino appeared in a Hulk issue without his suit on and someone said that they thought the suit was attached to him physically so how could he be shown without it, so when you bring up that you think maybe Rhino could be it, wouldn’t the red Hulk have something that resembles the Rhino in someway?
I’m not too sure if I would like if this red Hulk was a classic 70’s character, but I like all of Jeph Loeb’s books so if that’s the direction he goes with then I’ll accept it. If it’s Doc Samson or a alternative Doc Samon or a Skrull verison of Doc Samson that is the red Hulk, whatever Jeph Loeb decides I’m sure I’ll like and accept it.
John
September 26th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
“even bettys brain surgicaly put into a comatose body that was then shot up with gamma rays, you know the whole frankinstien thing”.
I’m so happy to hear that someone else has considered the possibility that this very well could be Betty in some way, shape or form. Look I know it sounds strange for a woman, a dead woman at that to become a huge hulking man-monster, but let’s not forget in Superman/Batman there was a character called Monster that turned out to be a girl.
John
September 26th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Will we get the answers when Frank Cho and Art Adams Hulk series or when Ed McGuinness comes back in Hulk?
I love what Frank and Art are doing, but please let it be with Ed.
jec
September 26th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
the illuminati has the infinity gauntlet. it won’t work as the power of god type thing, but in avengers ann #7 and marvel 2in1 ann #2 the power of the soul gems as they were called at the time, could blow out stars when channeled. thanos new this, tried and failed. the satellite that shot and defeated hulk at the end of ww hulk could have been this combined disgharge but on a smaller scale. enough to stop hulk not enough to destroy the planet. but with all of this intense amount of energy solar, gamma, and possibly cosmic, why was nobody else effected? not just changed into monsters but changed from being monsters, like the one and only blue eyed thing. radiation has had effects on him before. i understand they can’t print all of those effected because of future story lines, but they could drop a clue like samsons torn up shirt.
jec
September 26th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
time to get mushy. i just wan’t to thank everybody for writing on this site. comics are my release, and my passion. there is not many people where i live who understand the characters, and this has been a kick. i’ve enjoyed the theories and the research that has gone into this site. well done everyone.
montgomery
September 26th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
i wish planet hulk had lasted forever. i mean, damn it felt nice to watch the big guy finally live his life unbothered by all the characters of the marvel universe. i liked him being freed of them so much that i actually got annoyed when the surfer showed up (although surfer is the coolest). you know, his demeanor during that run was so awesome it made me realize just how aggravating every character who believes themself to be his friend actually is to his life. and i don’t think hulk has to be forever tormented to be a vital, interesting character – there will always be righteous battles to fight, allowing him to let loose when necessary… they should just let the guy become a meditative bhuddist monk or whatever, like that dude santei from the “36 chamber” kung fu movies. that guy had peace like a river flowing through his soul and whatnot but he never failed to lead the charge of the good fight and kick the hell out of every evil clown around him. plus, i get tired of every future projection of the hulk casting him as this villainous figure due to the limitless nature of his power. let he and banner get on and start finding some success in their struggle. we all know good stories can follow change. everything doesn’t have to “jump the shark,” you just have to work harder to create tales that feel real and don’t make you feel like you have to do all the work in suspending disbelief… i just think hulk carried himself as who he really is during his time on that planet. it was definitely a great run.
Peace-maker
September 26th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Total “make mine Marvel” co-sign with Monty. Hulk is long over due to progress and be left alone until called upon for major smash action. Hulk has evolved to that point where he should probably stay cosmic, AWAY from the rest of MU. How many times does the big guy have to show the universe that’s he’s the strongest bar none? It makes sense to me to see the Hulk hanging out and smashing planets with Surfer. Every new evolution predicted (no need to breathe in space, for example) has come to pass with no signs of slowing down…
Where I do disagree with Monty is seeing Hulk make that stand against the Marvel darlings was sooo much more wonderful than Planet Hulk. Not as a bad guy. Not as a good guy. But a perfect check and balance to the rest of Marvel U. Marvel needs neutral, no sides heroes. Those that are willing to go where the bad guys try to go and those that are unwilling to get caught up in “heroic” ideals…
Here’s a strange thought just to through out there: what’s the chances of the Watcher making Hulk his herald a la Apocolypse for Celestials? Interference rules aside, Uatu has the power to make or bring forth Rulk…if nothing more than a test to see if Hulk could be “keeper” of the timeline to offset Uatu being the Watcher of the timeline…
@jec: you’re getting emotional now too? First Monty, now you…this Rulk thing need to get resolved…FAST. Lmao.
Power gem, eh? I gotta think about that one…
Adapting the energies of any infinity gem is an unstable and dangerous thing. I like to give our earthlings credit and all, but no one on Earth would be of the IQ to pull it off…OR, that would suggest that whomever did pull that off would be smarter than those that have (stable) cosmic awareness…
The Illuminati ARE similar to the Elders and the IG’s don’t like to be hidden/not used. Plus, the Power gem has control over power and Hulk is power incarnate…
The gem sapping all the radiant energy could totally be done while keeping all others safe. All the gems have displayed a amping/adding and a sapping/taking ability…
Come to think about it, a lil red Power gem makes the Hulk easier to handle than Hulkbuster armor…
(I thought Richards had the Reality Gem and Tony had the Power Gem?)
Betty “Rulk” Ross-Banner? Nope, hate the thought of that more than Samson being Rulk…lol. But as a comic fan, I have to admit to the possibility. Good one John…
jec
September 26th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
it’s true. planet hulk was the new conan. it had it all. hulk can only beat the thing and abomination so many times before he needs a new challange. in my years of being a hulk fan i had been waiting for him to totally cut loose, i don’t mean the wolverine beserker rage style, but the totally kick your teeth out your rectum style. with the writers of today, the planet hulk hulk could have been an awsome run for say 4 or 5 years. let the reader want the childlike hulk back and then make his return. with the smarter stronger hulk of planet hulk i truly believed he could kick any bodys butt. i don’t know about skarr yet its to soon to tell but i don’t think it has the same magic as planet hulk.
"Trueblevr"
September 27th, 2008 at 1:22 am
OK so some one might have already guessed this…or not, but im WAY too impatiant to read through all your…”discussion”
…any one think it might Cain Marko…after WWH why not…he’s all full of Cytorak luvn again, why not volunteer for some gamma powered “goodness”
…cept old thunderbolt made him go after Abomination (Blonsky) 1st.
Cant really xplain all his jones’n for all the other stuff, but hay…never know….plus his love for red…and wheres he been since the hulk sent him runninn…
"Trueblevr"
September 27th, 2008 at 1:29 am
O…and NO WAY on the Ares Possibility. (period)
jec
September 27th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
why does it feel as if marvel is trying to push the gods onto the readers. with an exception of thor no book with one of the gods as a leading role has done well. the character has never taken off. the two hercules minis were good as was the graphic novel. but every thing since has sucked. ares was a so so challange for thor and never a serious threat to his life. hercules was always a bumbling oaf. zeus acts as if he is bi-polar. the gods just don’t work, except for thor.
Anonymous
September 28th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
It’s Mephisto
Peace-maker
September 28th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Is that a guess…?
John
September 29th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
I recall awhile back that I too thought it could be Mephisto, but then again I can’t help but look back, wasn’t Mephisto the one that made a deal with Peter Parker so he could save Aunt May lifes, but in doing so his marriage with Mary Jane would be forgotten?
Forgive me for not knowing so much when it comes to the “gods” in comics, but the only one’s that I’ve seen as of late are Thor, Hercules, and Ares, who else is there that fans may feel that are being forced upon?
I know that Planet Hulk isn’t the first time that Hulk has ever gone to space and had a big adventure, but in my opinion, alongside Planet Hulk, the Trojan War was another favorite one of mine, sure it wasn’t anywhere near as long as Planet Hulk, but it was very good nonetheless.
The debate on which is better a smart Hulk that can smash or a mindless savage Hulk that can smash is pretty interesting. It’s really so hard to choose, because you have a Hulk that either knows what he is doing and has a reason for doing it or a Hulk that doesn’t know what he’s doing but man does it look ever so cool what he can do when he gets mad. I became a Hulk fan when Peter David was working on the Merged-Professor Hulk so I guess you could say that is my favorite Hulk, but since Jeph Loeb is my favorite writer and I love Ed McGuinness artwork, I guess I can add the two Hulks that are being worked on here as among my favorites.
I see that someone has listed Juggernaut again. We know that when Cain Marko first fought the World War Hulk, he wasn’t at full power, but even when he got all his power back it didn’t seem to phase or stop the Hulk and you got alot of people saying we haven’t seen Juggy since, but if Juggy has unfinished business with the Hulk, why take it out on the Abomination or anyone else for that matter if it is just the Hulk that you are after.
I’ve got some guesses…
New hybrid
Doc Samson
The Leader
The Late Betty Ross Banner
Skrull
Hulk has gone from gray to green, why not red, but the Bruce Banner that transforms into the green Hulk, is that the real Bruce Banner or a Skrull?
Whether it is a diverson or not it seems like everything points at Doc Samson as the new red Hulk, but it’s wait and see.
I know that watching a cartoon isn’t the same as reading a comic book, I feel bad for missing out on the classic feud between Leader and the Hulk, but from what I see in the cartoon, the Leader has always wanted the Hulk’s power and he has come back and dealt with Hulk’s Warbound, maybe finally he has gotten what he has wished for.
I know it sounds too strange for a woman to be a man and a dead person to become a force of nature powerhouse, but I keep looking back at the Monster character from Superman/Batman that Jeph Loeb worked on. Before Peter David left if I recall right nobody knew where Betty was buried but then there was this one Hulk issue where it saw General Ross looking over Betty in her coffin in a secret enclosed place. Now granted I don’t think General Ross would ever want his daughter to become a Hulk-like being, but what if the overdose gamma exposure that the Abomination gave Betty was to make it seem like it killed her and while preserved dead the gamma rays mixed with the soul and energy of Betty became this new red Hulk? Now I know, why would Betty kill a Wendigo or choke She-Hulk so she would pass out or break the original Hulk’s arm, these are all questions that would make this a true mystery in how Betty could be linked to this.
I don’t think the Skrull Invasion will be over just yet and we know that it’s effected almost all of Marvel’s population of heroes so why not the Hulk universe?
Just thought that I would share my thoughts is all.
Christian
September 30th, 2008 at 1:09 am
Its not Doc Samson. Issue #6 clearly shows at the end dragging Rick jones away and the Red Hulk still lying there… I dunno who it is, but its a psycho. And they’re inline with Ross. Ross has ALWAYS hated the hulk… always, in #6 at the end he made it clear that he created the Red Hulk.
Its someone who volenteered for this… who could it be? They must hate the hulk as well… They are part of the army I reckon, and maybe theres a connection between the loss of Betty and the Rulk… maybe this guy liked her as well?
Jamgreen
September 30th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
i cannot wait until i can say i told you so…Talbot. duh.
John
September 30th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
I just purchased Hulk # 6 today and before I talk about who I think it is, I just have to say how cool was it that Hulk played a rope a dope with the red Hulk!!!:) What a clash it was and the real Hulk came out on top.
I wonder why if Doc Samson was explaining how the Abomination was killed, I know people will already scream and say, DUH IT IS A MYSTERY SERIES, but why would General Ross and Samson keep hush, not sure if I mean the pun or not…lol…on who the red Hulk is. I can understand why General Ross would be involved. Abomination killed his daughter and if Bruce or his Hulk wouldn’t do the killing, and this is where I could see why Jamgreen would think it is Talbot, I know in the military you have to follow orders and it’s about respect and honor, but I always thought Talbot was a kiss@$$ to General Ross and one of those smooth talkers when it comes to Betty. Since Talbot had a love for Betty like Bruce did, perhaps not as noble or romantic, but a sense of love for her, I’m sure he would want to score some points with General Ross by killing off the Abomination. Along with killing the Abomination, being able to stand face to face, toe to toe, man to god with Thor would show the rest of the hero and villian community that you aren’t to be messed with, he wasn’t a friend to Rick because he was both Bruce’s and Hulk’s friend so I can see how Jamgreen and any others would think it was Talbot.
It is interesting to see Samson with his long hair again, but I wonder why he didn’t want Rick to tell Bruce who it was with regards to the red Hulk?
It’s interesting that General Ross is involved being that Jeph Loeb knew he was going to be working on this series while the Hulk movie was coming out, of course in the movie it was about General Ross helping Emil Blonsky to become a super-solider almost like Captain America, but of course we know he turns into the Abomination, but in the comic series, he has apart in the making of this new red Hulk.
I just thought that I would share my thoughts. There will be more later.
"Trueblevr"
September 30th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
(in response to above) Thats the thing about Cain, didnt he have a military back ground at some point (or was that just the X-Men animated series =/ cant remember) but any ways you ask above if it was Cain why go after they original Abomination…will I ask why not maybe a test, maybe Ross ordered as part of the deal…
As for WWH maybe Juggy didnt “damage” the Hulk but once he was all “Cytorak Juiced” he at least stood his ground…till he went for a run…
I just remember what Juggy said as he walked away and told his step brother to stay clear…he wanted to go after Hulk…
As for the gets Hot not stronger when hes angry thing…dunno
What do you think ??
BTW this is an awesome lil RANT you all started!!
AS for the god thing, SORRY man…I too dig the whole “god” 3
ALSO (sorry) to keep going but what’s up w/Robert Reynolds aka THE SENTRY…shouldnt he have made an appearance against “RULK”????????????????????????????
"Trueblevr"
September 30th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
(oops forgot one more thing a little off subject) Did any one else notce in the last WOLVIE Origins (i know off key =/ sorry) I think #28 it started a few seconds after #27 ended w/Logan AKA James AKA Wolverine confronting HIS SON DAKEN in his Yellow/Blue/Black Astonishing Fatigues while just seconds before (again #27) he was in his classic Brown-ish Costume/Fatigues….
O and my last opinion (sorry again) how great would it be to see Deadpool in Silver/Black X-Force Fatigues….hired by Cyk ???
Danny Valve
October 1st, 2008 at 9:02 am
umm i guess everyone’s read #5 and #6 now so obviously it’s not ares since he’s standing there whilst Hulk, A bomb (terrible name) and thor fight Rulk. anyone got any other clues? i was still set on Doc Samson…. hmm…. maybe it’s the leader?
jec
October 1st, 2008 at 10:30 am
i wrote about the gode not working in comics. mainly the series like hercules, balder the brave. with an exception of thor, the gods have not worked to well in a stand alone book for marvel and dc. marvel likes to do books with whom the readers can identify with, try to make them more human. even over at dc comics the whole new gods thing didn’t pan out to well for old jack kirby. the concept was amazing. the characters were excellent. people just wern’t ready. darkseid is one of the best villians ever created. the 70’s brought the eternals at marvel. for the most part they were gods. didn’t work. the idea excellent. the “death of the new gods” has sparked some interest in the new gods, but some classic stories have been sitting in comic boxes in shops for decades. to get back on topic, cyttorak the entity who gave cain his power dosn’t care what he does with, there is no great power great responsibility thing going on here. he just wants an avatar. cyttorak is look for people to use his power in his name for good or bad, dosn’t matter to him because he is from a magic demension where he is god. he might be toying with cain by making him into more of a monster than he was, but the vishanti (hoggoth and oshtur) wouldn’t want the balance of power to tip in one direction to much. what if the red hulk is hoggoth or oshtur’s own version of juggernaut. it wouldn’t be beyond there scope of power to know about the watchers, tampering with security clearances. plus marvel has been using the living tribunal alot in she hulk, maybe there’s going to be another cosmic series.
John
October 1st, 2008 at 11:22 am
It is interesting to see that the Sentry will have a run in with the green Hulk but not the red Hulk.
Forgive me for sounding ignorant by asking this question, the more that I keep thinking about it, I can’t shake the feeling, why would a god or a alien race want to become something that relates to a human? I know that I hinted before that I wouldn’t mind if somehow this crossed over with Secret Invasion and then you got this whole debate going on here with Juggernaut-Cain Marko, I just don’t know if I buy into that.
Even though Rick Jones is friends with Fantastic Four’s Thing, I wonder if Jeph Loeb will have A-Bomb take on Thing during his run on the Hulk? Even though it was a small scene between A-Bomb and Thing, it got me thinking about the question I just asked.
Even though Ares is tied in with the Avengers books every now and again with the Hercules series, I wonder if Jeph Loeb will have Ares fight Namor the Sub-Mariner? I know this is a Hulk book, but Jeph Loeb knows how to write the big fights and along with seeing Hulk Smash fights, it would be cool to see other Marvel Heroes go at it.
I think it’s amazing that General Ross and Doc Samson look to have involvement in this new red Hulk. They have played a dirty game with some of the major players in the Marvel Universe. I don’t think the red Hulk took kindly to what General Ross said so if he and Samson aren’t careful he might be coming after them, but of course we know that the red Hulk will have his hands full with She-Hulk and the Lady Liberators coming up. Due to the red Hulk’s action now the green Hulk will have to deal with some angry Wenidgos.
jec
October 1st, 2008 at 12:13 pm
it’s been said in marvel comics, that beings of higher power have lost something that is unique to humans. the kree were no longer able to evolve. the skrulls lost there homeworld. the gods were no longer needed to take care of humans. the powerful beings remark at the human spirit, and ability to overcome and face all challanges. earth beings are destined to play a greater roll in the future of the marvel universe. if sentry does not want to face down the red hulk it may be that the red hulk got his powers in much the same way. red son. heat, radiation, etc. sentry is mentally fragile, the red hulk is not.
John
October 1st, 2008 at 3:38 pm
The red Hulk might not be fragile on a mental basis, but the one weakness that I saw in Hulk # 6 is that even though he might know alot about Bruce Banner and the Hulk, he doesn’t quiet know all about his powers. He was amazed that he could go face to face with Thor with that first fight, best the god of thunder and then leap from the moon back to planet earth without feeling any effects. The red Hulk told Bruce’s Hulk that if he didn’t fight that he would be a coward and that he didn’t know what it’s like to be in a fight about a battle plan, yet Bruce’s Hulk tricked the red Hulk into overheating, in my opinion pulling a rope a dope over him. A-Bomb told Thor not to intervene because he knew that the whole time the red Hulk was beating on Bruce’s Hulk, he was getting stronger and Bruce’s Hulk told the red Hulk that he was ready for him, more prepared then last time so it was a awesome clash of the titans if you don’t mind me saying.
Even though now it looks like the Hulk and Sentry didn’t accidently make another Hulk, it still makes you wonder what really happen inbetween the end of World War Hulk # 5 and Hulk # 1. It’s still debatable if Doc Samson is the red Hulk or not. Is there Skrull involvement or not? Is there any gods involvement? Hopefully all the answers will come when the time is right.
jec
October 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pm
could it be the red hulk is like a anti missle system designed by the government in the case sentry failed in ww hulk (which to me he did), so they might have some kind of fire power to throw at the ww hulk version of hulk. bruce/hulk ultimatelly allowed his own defeat. red hulk didn’t need to be used but escaped anyway real pissed off at the world.
RPM
October 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Whoever the red hulk is, it seems he has a problem with Tony Stark too doesn’t it? The way he never spoke to him during their fight suggests this to me. Possibly has a past with She Hulk also since he had to brag about being able to kill her.
Marko theory is interesting. Seems I remember him telling somebody “you won’t like what I’ll become” in some book, then it’s like…well, what happened there? I don’t recall anything. Being beaten so soundly so many times by Hulk, Marko would make sense with all the bragging up on the bridge.
Only hitch there, he’d never use a gun. He also wouldn’t have security clearance. So that theory’s dead.
I kinda like the Blonsky-is-Rulk-dead-Abomination-was-Skrull-theory. I think Blonsky, even if he was stronger, would resort to using a weapon.
But, would he have security clearance? Doesn’t seem likely.
Talbot back from the dead? jeez…who knows.
RPM
October 1st, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Doesn’t anybody wonder how the heck Rick turned into A-Bomb?
Anybody got an idea?
"Trueblevr"
October 1st, 2008 at 11:09 pm
i STILL THINK CAIN WOULD USE A GUN IF TOLD TO BY ROSS FOR GIVING HIM SOOOOOO MUCH POWER…TEST RUN “TAKE OUT THE ABOMINATION OUR WAY” TO PROVE YOU CAN HANDLE “OTHER TARGETS”
…I DONT THINK ROSS or MARKO HAVE A GOOD HISTORY W/STARK, SHE HULK COULD HAVE BEEN A BONUS ??
I ALSO LIKE THE SKRULL IDEA THAT A SKRULL (NOT ABOMINAION) WAS SHOT…1ST HIT FOR RULK BLONSKIES WAY O’ SAYING “NO ONE IMPERSONATES ABOMINATIN”
CEPT I THOUGHT HE WAS STUCK AS ABOMINATION….
jec
October 2nd, 2008 at 12:47 pm
tyrannus was the abomination at one point. banner and samson created a liquid that seperated himself from the hulk. banners atoms started to disperse as did the hulks, and there for had to be joined back togather with aid from the vision. tyrannus used a more advanced form of the chemical bath to merge hiself with the power of the abomination expelling blonsky. he found he looked horrid and reversed the change, which drove blonsky mad and spiderman and she hulk stopped him. tyrannus is a mastermind and is serching for power. cain marko just dosn’t work for me as the red hulk, he’s to good of a villian as the juggernaut. wonderman would be the better choice. how and what would happen if his ionic powers mixed with gamma rays. avengers security clearance gets them into just about anyplace in the world, except latveria. could it be an avenger of better yet an ex-avenger. this person didn’t have to start off as a bad person it could have been a person with good intentions but things got out of control.
John
October 2nd, 2008 at 4:39 pm
I have really come to enjoy how interesting the comments are from the fans here. The two that have always caught my eye and keep us thinking about any and all possibilities are Tygah and Jec.
I have stated from time to time that I hope that this red Hulk is someone from the Hulk Universe. The idea that this red Hulk could be a former or current Avenger is a great one, being that the Hulk used to be a member of the team and even when he’s not on the team, they know his background and they would have clearance almost all over the world.
I think if Juggernaut was to be bad, let him be the classic foe to the X-Men. Sure Juggy has had his run in with the Avengers, Spiderman, and yes the Hulk too, but the idea to take away Juggy from Excalibur or the X-Men would be a mistake.
To hear that the Abomination that was killed could be a Skrull therefore making the original Abomination this new red Hulk is a good theory and when you talk about having clearance, if Emil Blonsky was a former Russian spy, he might know how to tamper with things to really shake things up in the Marvel Universe.
How did Rick Jones become A-Bomb? You just can’t take out a classic foe like the Abomination when it comes to the Hulk, sure there are other foes that the Hulk has, but who else can challenge him like the Abomination can? What a surprising twist to have Bruce’s friend Rick be the next verison of Abomination. This might cause a conflict later. Bruce saves Rick and we all know that’s how he became the Hulk. Now besides trying to find a cure for himself, he’ll want to find a cure for Rick too and somehow that will get the Hulk and A-Bomb to clash and fight it out. Rick Jones and whoever this red Hulk is, it would seem like they are the “lab rats” in a science experiment. Did you notice how when Doc Samson was dragging Rick, he said that he would have to fix certain things about him and of course General Ross speaks about his involvement in the creation of this red Hulk and what his mission was. Rick knows who it is and sure clues have shown that it could be Doc Samson, but based on the last page of Hulk # 6, it’s up in the air, so now we have to start all over again and really ponder, just who is this red Hulk?
Jamgreen
October 3rd, 2008 at 8:35 am
You know what? screw all your theories. It’s aunt may. She got powers before. remember golden oldie, herald of galactus?. ’nuff said.
jec
October 3rd, 2008 at 10:53 am
i like the idea of the abomination being a skrull, and i hope the only skrull to cross over into this book. what a team up it would make. hulk, a bom, and abomination all coming togather to fight a common foe. the hulk has been able to take on every team in the marvel u in the past, the fantastic four, the avengers, defenders, champions, thunberbolts, etc. and the hulk has won. he was to unpredictable, to savage in his rage. the other heros tried to work togather to stop him but he never gave them that chance. plus as everyone knows the madder he gets the stronger he gets. what if you had three gamma spawn, hulk level in power titans clash with the new red hulk. maybe even throw in samson to help out. they would all have a commom interest. afterword they would go there own ways. join with the big three of the avengers to kick skrull tail, or even have a battle between themselves. nothing could stop them. not even a wendigo or two.
jec
October 3rd, 2008 at 11:07 am
going off the “what if” idea (golden oldie). what if the watcher has an interest in the red hulk because he escaped from the watcher’s home on the moon. hitched a ride on the great stone ship while ww hulk kicked the snott out of blackbolt and came to earth that way. the watcher would need to correct the mistake but red hulk wasn’t about to go back. deck the watcher and get on with his business. red hulk could than be anybody, and i mean anybody in the marvel u. an alternate universe hulk. say talbot died in this universe he wouldn’t have to die in another. maybe he even saved rick himself, and hates rick for this happening. like i said anybody could be the red hulk. alternate realty reed richards, glen talbot, bruce banner, leonard samson. it may or may not be goofy, but a new event to compare with dc’s infinate earths. reality wars.
John
October 3rd, 2008 at 11:33 am
The only way I see Aunt May being this new Red Hulk would be when Mephisto decided to let Aunt May live but the end result leading to Peter Parker and Mary Jane’s marriage being erased from history, but instead of just bringing her back to life, he would make her a monster, one that would take on a Hulk form. I don’t know, it seems too far of a strench to me.
If the original Abomination wasn’t killed and it was a Skrull taking the form of the Abomination, then where as the original Abomination been all this time? How would the Emil Blonsky Abomination feel about Rick Jones’ A-Bomb? Would he be happy knowing that a friend of Bruce’s is now a new verison of him and being that he is a enemy of the Hulk, he would think A-Bomb would have to be a new foe to the Hulk as well. We know that A-Bomb and Hulk are friends, but I’m just saying. What if the original Abomination objects and rejects A-Bomb and wants to see who really is the Abomination in the Marvel-Hulk Universe?
I don’t know if the Hulk could trust Doc Samson if She-Hulk told him that most of the heroes who have been investigating this new red Hulk think that he is indeed the red Hulk. I’m sure the Skrulls would use this to their advantage and try to recruit Doc Samson. I would be shocked to see if Doc Samson and General Ross were Skrulls. I don’t think it would be a good idea to have the green or red Hulk be a Skrull after doing much thought about it, but if the other cast members were that would make the story really interesting. I love all the stories that have come out and I can’t wait until Jeph Loeb reveals all when the time is right, but if there’s Skrull involvement, let it be other characters and not the Hulks.
jec
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:17 pm
the most unstable and dangerous infinity gem is the reality gem, with the power gem its power is limitless. thanos was origionally going to use them to blow out all the stars in the universe as a gift to his love, death. the illuminati knew this, and found a way to collect all of the gems for safe keeping. say you build six satellites, five by reed richards, tony stark, and maybe hank pym, and another satelite built by the shi-ar with advanced tech to contain the reality changing properties to protect the earth from alien threats, the skrull which the illuminati new was coming, even galactus. a large stone starship comes to earth, after blowing a chunk out of the moon with a very angry and powerful hulk on board. iron man tries to focus the satellites on the ship and is stopped with an emp. fight the hulk one on one and get clobbered. (ww hulk) when the time is right and the hulk gives you the opening hit him hard with the energy beam from the gems and fights over. however, what makes the reality gem so powerful is anybody with an an imagination can change anything. thanos used it to bring mar-vell back to life to talk. the gem is not safe with anything or anyone. a mear thought of “we need something or someone who can stop this hulk” and boom red hulk. or “rick needs to live and not be hurt anymore” and now as a-bomb he can’t be hurt. the problem is the reality power is hard to channel or focus. thats why thanos didn’t use it for power while he had it alone. the watcher would have a huge interest in these developments.
"Trueblevr"
October 4th, 2008 at 1:30 am
Steve Rogers………
…he has ALL the reason’s to go after “Rulks” targets…sort of (Cept SHE-Hulk & Watcher) =/
…K so maybe Johnny Storm…OUT OF CONTROL =/
explains the heat thing ??
"Trueblevr"
October 4th, 2008 at 1:55 am
…better yet Colossus ??
jec
October 4th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
in wizard #197 jeph loeb did an interview and the characters brought up as potential red hulk candidates were, bruce banner, rick jones, doc samson, she-hulk, a skrull (to be named later),tony stark, gen. ross, maria hill. when loeb has done these kind of interviews before the mystery man was never mentioned in the interview. It could happen, but loeb is very good at keeping a secret. I would still like to know the makeup of the rays hulk was shot with at the end of ww hulk.
Outhouse
October 4th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Red Hulk will be proven to be Tony Stark. Iron Man armor is either Skrull or just the suit being controlled. Tony Stark wears Black pants, has black hair, Shield access, Clones superheros, shot Hulk / self with Satellite ray at end of WWH and this somehow merged Hulk’s power with his Extermis Armor.
Check out Iron Man 26 as well, while fighting IronMan, on page 17, I believe we see an appearance of Red Hulk covered in … Flames.
Hang on true believer’s. Either this is a Skrull, clone or real deal RED HULK is TONY STARK!
RPM
October 5th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Dead Quartermaine is Skrull.
Who Rulk is NOT:
a Skrull
Tony Stark
Gen. Ross
Doc Samson
Glen Talbot
Nick Fury
Ares
Johnny Storm
Dr Strange
any female
Stan Lee
spdrmn97651
October 5th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
the red hulk is nitro…or the black panther.
spdrmn97651
October 5th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
oh wait i forgot to say the red hulk may also be amadeus cho. i mean thy got to rick jones, hell they can get to anyone. and if it was ross and samson who were behind it….it probably means they subdued some human who had a grudge against the hulk.
well maybe
TYGAH
October 5th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
I’VE BEEN AWAY CUZ I’VE BEEN BUSY AS HECK LATELY, BUT I’VE BBEN KEEPING TRACK OF WHATZ BBEN SAID SO FAR.
I LIKE THE CAPTAIN AMERICA THEORY. ITZ DOABLE CUZ THERE IS A LMD IN HIS GRAVE, WHILE THE REAL ONE WAS THOUGHT TO BE SENT TO SEA BY NAMOR.
I JUST READ HULK #6 WHERE WE SEE SAMSON WITH LONG HAIR AGAIN WITH WRIST BANDS AND DARK PANTS, ALL OF WHICH HE DIDN’T HAVE WHEN HE FIRST DISAPPEARED. I STILL BELIEVE ITZ SAMSON, BUT NOW I’M THINKING THATZ ITZ A SAMSON CLONE. MIND U THIS WHOLE RED HULK SITUATION OCCURS WITHIN A FEW DAYS AND SAMSON LOOKS HEZ BEEN THROUGH HELL WHEN HE SHOT RICK.
I WAS THINKING, IF HULK CAN A-BOMB IS RICK, YA’LL THINK HE KNOWS WHO RED HULK REALLY IS?
Outhouse
October 5th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
It’s Tony Stark who was hit by Red Energy Beam at end of WWH which is theorized to be Power Gem that he has and infused with Extermis. Either that or Bruce Green Hulk is Skrull and Red Hulk is real deal. Notice when Banner walks away no one sees Green Hulks face.
"Trueblevr"
October 6th, 2008 at 12:01 am
…still like my Steve Rogers idea, but Tony Stark is also beleavable.
Especially since we’ve seen in SI that Iron Man could be a Skrull, maybe thats why he went after the hellicarier in search of something like I dunno….his imposter ???
Plus he has a grudge against all involved…he know’s him and Thor are on the outs, he had access to that crazy fukn gun that killed “Abomination” (that could have been another Skrull)
Wow all, I think you talked me out of my theories and IN TO your Tony idea…
Guess we will find out in the next issue of SI right after NIck FURY’S BEST quote ever “ya will MY GOD HAS A HAMMER” if the armored up TONY STARK (aka SKRULL??) switches sides….
John
October 6th, 2008 at 11:56 am
So let me get this straight. We all know that at the end of Civil War, it leads straight to the death of Captain America. Would Marvel really approve of Steve Rogers coming back to life in the form of a Hulk-like creature? I’m not saying that this can’t be done, it’s just that for starters, it wouldn’t make all that much sense and for two, I love the Hulk-I really and truly do, but Captain America was one of the first Marvel characters ever made, he’s only two years shy of Superman, and with everything that Captain America has done throughout the years, even though he isn’t a real person, is this how you treat a character like Captain America-Steve Rogers? Personally, I should hope not.
I know that Tony’s a good friend of Bruce’s and over the years has worked on trying to find a cure for Bruce, but then again he was one of the people that helped send the Hulk out in space and that wasn’t very friendly now was it? If Tony was the red Hulk, how come the red Hulk doesn’t show anything on his chest like what Tony has? This can also be done, but it just doesn’t make any sense.
Quick comment to Outhouse.
Before the Hulk would lose absolute control he asked for Ironman to end it so Ironman did a countdown and to follow his mark and just before Ironman got to the Hulk, he got out of the way and the red blast hit the Hulk and it seperated the Hulk from Banner. If this does turn out to be Ironman, then I’ll say I’m sorry, but it just doesn’t seem possible in my opinion.
On a personal note I can’t wait for Ed McGuinness to come back, because Jeph Loeb mentioned on Word Balloon that when Ed comes back, they will work on a storyline that features the Defenders with Hulk, Namor, Silver Surfer and Dr. Strange to take on the Offenders which will have the red Hulk, Tigershark, Baron Mordo, and Terrax. Jeph Loeb said that the clues are everywhere, we know the answer and yet we don’t and just because # 6 came out and it didn’t really reveal who it is, it will be revealled when the time is right, but apparently to Jeph Loeb, we should already know who it is.
RPM
October 6th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Who was the guy that got injected with the Extremis in Iron Man #1?
That is who Rulk is.
jec
October 6th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
with marvel comics in the past, a person couldn’t channel the power of a infinity gem without having it on his/her person at all times. unless they knew what gem it was, the only way to make it work was subconsiously. even then they wouldn’t be able to tap into its full potential. warlock was able to fully control his gem by confronting the entity that was the gem and winning a battle of souls. later after being absorbed by the gem into soulworld he was able to meditate and increase his power over the gem. while the gem of power would give a regular person incredible power it wouldn’t change there appearance, as an example, champion, thor, drax, and thanos. yes it did increase there power levels but not appearance. for a infinity gem to change the appearance of something it would have to change reality. yes the reality gem along with the power gem would do it. all six gems cannot work togather to give someone the power of god, but two or three of them sure can to increase the abilities and powers of an individual. the six gems working togather as a destructive force has the power to destroy stars, they almost killed galactus, and if the silver surfer hadn’t of stepped in they might have. thanos is a little more advanced in the tech department than stark and richards so his cannon might have channeled the power of the gems better than theirs. but unfocused infinity gems energy from the satellites might have been enough to create a new hulk. it is a force of nature. maybe not of earth but of the universe. bruce banner was changed into the hulk by unfocused gamma radiation from a bomb.
jec
October 6th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Ironman has suffered since civil war. he was a good hero, but now he has been labeled a sell out. i think it’s pretty petty to restore his good name by making him the red hulk, or a skrull. make him earn back his respect from the superhero community and the readers by showing his idea of registration worked. let the people see if it wasn’t for the unregistered superheros the earth could be a new skrull throneworld. make this new hulk a charactor that could last. don’t do what dc comics did with jason todd. in hush, jason todd was hush, and that was a cool idea, making it clayface was good to because nobody expected it. well hush wasn’t jason todd, he was still dead, people liked the idea of it being jason todd so they bring him back in later issues. here i am i didn’t die, and that wasn’t me that tried to kill you. don’t tell us this red hulk is so and so throw him away, and bring him back as a different person or he is like captain universe and his power went else where. hulk was cancelled after #6 and brought back in tales to astonish, but he has never really changed, not to much anyway. this red hulk could last a long time, and i think it’s because he a hulk alot of fans have wanted to see in the green version, thats why planet hulk did so well. there’s a reason to his madness, an agressivness. there is no hulk smash puny human, it more like i’m just gonna kick the crap out of anything i want to if you don’t like to bad. he’s the hulked out version of wolverine.
TYGAH
October 6th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
CAPTAIN AMERICA MAKES THE PERFECT RED HERRING (NO PUN INTENDED), BUT HAD BEEN HIM, ROSS WOULD HAVE HAD MORE RESPECT FOR HIM THAT TO LEAVE A BEATEN RED HULK ON THE GROUND SAYING THAT THEY WERE DONE WITH HIM. PLUS, CAP USED TO WORK FOR SHIELD, WHILE HE MAY NOT LIKE ALL THEIR TACTICS, HE SEES THE BROADER PICTURE AND STILL WORKED FOR THEM ALONGSIDE NICK FURY.
I GOTTA DISAGREE WITH JEC ABOUT THE GAMMA BOMB. THE FACT THAT IT WAS IN “BOMB” FORM, SHOWS THAT IT WAS CONCENTRATED FROM ITZ ORIGINAL FORM. BUT ALL IT REALLY DID WAS RELEASE THE LATENT MUTANT GENES IN BANNER(MY PERSONAL THEORY ON BANNER BACKED UP BY THE FACT THAT APOCALYPSE EVEN WANTED TO DEAL WITH HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE).
WHILE I LIKE THE WHOLE “GEM” THEORIES, WE ALL KNOW THAT IT REALLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CREATION OF THE RED HULK.
IN MY OPINION, THESE ARE THE WAYS THAT IT COULD HAPPEN:
1. DNA SPLICING
2. GAMMA TREATMENT WITH SUPER SERUM DERIVATIVE
3. ALTERNATE UNIVERSE SAMSON (NOTICE HOW “OUR” SAMSON HAD A LIGHTENING BOLT SEARED INTO HIS CHEST?)
4. NO MATTER WHAT, THE MILITARY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS
5. MODIFIED LMD
jec
October 6th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
when i say unfocused, i mean the bomb was exploded out ward not in any direction. blonsky became the abomination, and the gamma rays were channelled through a beam, the same with samson. the were shot in a focused direction. the bomb just unleased gamma rays in all directions, unfocused. as for apocalypse i think he would use anybody to further his onw agenda.
John
October 6th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
I love that this is going on and on. It’s kinda strange when fans bring up other books that don’t really relate, but I guess it’s okay. It’s nice to see Tygah back and Jec is always putting out the history and comments that really make you think, you two are really awesome.
I really wish that when Jeph Loeb reveals who this red Hulk is, that he will go back to the end of World War Hulk #5 and explain how it all came to be. Before Hulk # 1 came out, we knew that there was going to be a red Hulk, but Greg Pak and Mark “Panic” as I heard Jeph Loeb call him said for all Hulk fans to focus on World War Hulk # 5 What that offer us was a clash between Hulk and Sentry and before the Hulk completely lost control and motioned for Ironman to end it and Ironman did so by aiming a red beam at him and at the end of that, Hulk was gone and there was only Banner. Let’s not forget that this is also where Rick Jones gets stabbed and fans thought he might of died, but of course we now know that he is A-Bomb. That is another mystery within itself. How did Rick Jones become A-Bomb? Then you have Doc Samson in the very first issue with short hair and at the end of issue number 6 there is a Doc Samson with long hair and he has a symbol carved in his chest, the same one that he would have on his shirt, so there just seems to be more and more mysteries in this one book. Jeph Loeb says that all the clues are there and we know who he is but we don’t know who he is, I know doesn’t make too much sense, but he can’t give it away just like that so when the time comes, I’m sure we are all going to be shocked and surprise, it will take us by storm or like a gamma bomb going off:) LOL!!!
TYGAH
October 6th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
OK, I GOTCHA.
I’M NOT TOO SURE ABOUT THAT ABOUT APOCALYPSE. I HAD THOUGHT SO TOO UNTIL IT WAS REVEALED THAT MOSES MAGNUM WAS A LATENT MUTANT PROGESSED BY APOCALYPSE.
THE ONLY NON-MUTANTS THAT I KNOW OF KNOW THAT HE HAS WORK WITH HAS BEEN THE HIGH EVOLUTIONARY AND THE ETERNALS. OH YEAH AND SINISTER.
John
October 6th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
I wonder if Jeph Loeb is treating this Hulk series like Area 51. Military and Alien activity and I say this because of course we know about Secret Invasion and then in the Hulk series General Ross talks about his knowledge and involvement with this red Hulk, was there a deal struck between General Ross and a Skrull? I still think it was fishy on how Doc Samson told Rick that we need to work on that when Rick tried to tell Bruce who the red Hulk was. Rick Jones didn’t just go to the hostipal from his stabbed wound, he became a experiment and this is how he knows about the red Hulk. Somebody has to save Rick Jones and get him to talk and reveal just who this red Hulk is, simply because he was probably made into A-Bomb during the same time when whoever became this red Hulk. This is somehow connected.
John
October 6th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
By the way I’m not really into aliens or anything like that when I mention the whole Area 51 thing.
The way I heard Jeph Loeb talking it’s gotta be someone from the cast within the Hulk book he’s writting, not anyone outside of it. There has been many great ideas being tossed around, but I’m just saying it’s someone from the book. I thought it was very odd in Hulk # 6 when they had the page, have you figured out WHO RULK IS and the only pictures that didn’t show the red words on was Maria Hill and General Ross. It can’t be Maria Hill because she saw the red Hulk kidnap She-Hulk when Ironman was talking to her. Then again it can’t be General Ross because he was talking to the red Hulk at the end of Hulk # 6. Geez, what can anyone really make out of this? LOL!!! I love the series and the team working on it. I can even say that I love what I see Art Adams and Frank Cho doing. I can’t wait to see Ed come back and see the Defenders clash with the Offenders.
TYGAH
October 6th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
GOOD TO BE BACK JOHN.
IT JUST DAWNED ON ME…MAYBE THE BEAM OF LIGHT WAS A MOLECULAR DISRUPTOR OF SORTS AND IT SEPARATED THE HULK INTO HIMSELF AND BANNER LIKE THE CHEMICAL SOLUTION BATH THE SAMSON SUBJECTED THE HULK TO WHEN MILGROM AND BYRNE WORKED ON THE HULK. AND WHILE IN TEMPORARY STASIS, HULK DNA WAS EXTRACTED AND INSERTED INTO WHOMEVER IT IS THAT IS NOW RED HULK(SAMSON CLONE, LOL LOL).
ANOTHER THING THAT BUGS ME. IN ORDER FOR RICK JONES TO BE ANOTHER ABOMINATION HE’D HAVE TO BE EXPOSED TO GAMMA RADIATION AGAIN. I DON’T THINK THATZ THE CASE THIS TIME OR HE’D TURN MORE HULK-LIKE LIKE B4. RICK JONES BEING THE RED HULK MAKES MORE SENSE THAN HIM BEING A-BOMB.
A-BOMB COULD BE THE EXPERIMENT THATZ GONE AWRY.
TYGAH
October 6th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
OH SNAP!!!!!!!
U NOTICED THAT TOO? LOL LOL LOL
I’M THINKING TO MYSELF, UNLESS MARIA HILL PICTURES HERSELF AS A MAN IN SUBCONSCIENCE, THEN IT CAN’T BE HER. OR IT WAS A LMD PROGRAMMED TO ACT LIKE HER DURING HER TIME AS RED HULK.
SHE WOULD HAVE A LEGITIMATE BEEF WITH STARK, SAMSON AND ROSS. SEEING THEM AS PART OF THE MILITARY “OLD BOYS” NETWORK WORKING TO KEEP HER OUT OF PRIVILEDGED INFORMATION.
REMEMBER GAMMA TRANSFORM U INTO HOW U REALLY SEE URSELF MENTALLY:
BANNER- A CHILD WITH MPD
RICK- A WANNA BE HULK
SAMSON- A SUPERHERO
SHE-HULK- AS STRONG POWERFUL WOMAN….A COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF HOW SHE USED TO BE
THE LEADER- PICTURED HIMSELF SMARTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE
THE ABOMINATION- HAD POOR SELF ESTEEM, SAW HIMSELF AS A MONSTER AND JEALOUS OF BANNER’S BRILLIANCE(GREEN WITH ENVY I GUESS, LOL LOL)
THE WHOLE TOWN THAT THE LEADER BLEW UP THE GAMMA BOMB IN WHEN BANNER WAS THE GRAY HULK, BACK WHEN TODD MCFARLAND WAS THE ARTIST.
TYGAH
October 6th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
BASED ON MICHAEL TURNER’S VERSION OF THE HULK….IS THE PROFESSOR/MERGED HULK MAKING A COMEBACK?
jec
October 6th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
at the end of ww hulk it showed the hulk holding caiera, she said “i will never leave you” and hulk responded “i know and i’ll never leave you.” followed by a massive explosion. was that just a mental episode. life flashing before his eyes. death for the planet hulk, hulk. banner wasn’t cured of the hulk, but the child like hulk returned. the only people around were the heros in slave discs, along with gen. ross, rick jones, wounded but we don’t know how bad really, and the warbound. could the spirit of the oldpower be mixing with the gamma power? i know hiroim recieved the old power when caiera died but still . stranger things have happened.
jec
October 6th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
I sure hope the professor dosn’t make a comeback. when it first happened it was new and a cool idea. but it ran into the ground pretty fast. he was to cocky. joe fixit is cool, because he’s so different than banner, and are forced to work togather. child like hulk dosn’t want to work with anybody, but prof. hulk is retarded.
jec
October 6th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
shield has a crew of mutants and superpowers. what about shapeshifters? i don’t mean a skrull, or hell maybe i do mean a skrull. there’s got to be some skrulls like lyja who have been on earth and have come to like the lifestyle. the skrull wouldn’t have traitor in there dictionary if they didn’t have one from time to time. is maria hill be a shape shifter?
John
October 6th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
It’s always great to hear from Tygah and Jec. The only thing that I take to perhaps offensive is when Jec bashed on the Merged-Professor Hulk simply because when I became a Hulk fan, that was the Hulk I got to know and sure I did research on the piror Hulk’s before and some after, but MP Hulk is one of my favorites, but I guess it’s okay Jec, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If this red Hulk turns out to be Maria Hill, then I hate to say this about my favorite writer Jeph Loeb, but how could he have made such a huge mistake? We saw that Ironman was talking to Maria Hill and then She-Hulk came in and talked alittle bit and then WHAM!!! Here comes the red Hulk kidnapping her, but I keep thinking, Maria Hill has short hair and she works with Shield and she would have clearence almost anywhere and everywhere, but it would be a huge mistake. I’m not saying that it’s a bad idea to have a female character be this new red Hulk, it’s just that, if it is it has to make sense and in my opinion it rules out Maria Hill. The only other female character in this would be She-Hulk, but she got choked out by this red Hulk, but then again She-Hulk is hanging out with a Skrull. Who’s to say that this She-Hulk in the Hulk series isn’t the Skrull and this red Hulk could be She-Hulk? It doesn’t sound really possible, but I’m throwing it out there.
That’s good that Jec explained that during the red blast that hit the Hulk, he was going back in recalling his memory with Caiera, so it helps explain why that green Hulk isn’t here and we have the child-like and misunderstood Hulk. I have seen and heard other Hulk fans, not just this site but other sites question, why is there a change with the green Hulk? All a fan has to do is really pay close attention to the words and images to what is given in the comic and it is right there.
This has been alot of fun, love seeing this go on and on and I’ll see all of you tomorrow.
jec
October 6th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
john, i’m not trying to bash on a character. when prof hulk came about it was a cool idea, but it didn’t really go anywhere. they made him a merged grey hulk, banner, and childlike hulk. but he didn’t have any adventures that were classic hulk adventures. they dropped him into the pantheon and it just kinda drug out. when they first merged him i bought five or six copies. the artwork was awsome. it had some humorious spots, but some humor was forced. i collected the whole run while he was prof. hulk but i’ve also collected the entire run since tales to astonish #59. and of all of those books, there were some that were better and there were some that were much worse. sorry to diss on the prof.
"Trueblevr"
October 6th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
No theories, but on mere appearance alone Wonder Man is a possibilitie…
John
October 7th, 2008 at 11:22 am
I didn’t mean to go overboard on your comment Jec, I owe you an apology. I thought I would ask though, did you happen to enjoy the story of Trojan War? What about the story that featured an X-Factor crossover?
The Hulk playing baseball and having that major fight with the Rhino? Rick Jones getting married and Captain America hiring a domimatrix, forgive me if I spelled that wrong, but him not knowing what that was, that was pretty classic. A clash with Man-Thing and actually seeing the Hulk’s head catch on fire. Just to name a few or several…lol… and to be honest, those were some of my favorite stories based on the Merged-Professor Hulk.
I like seeing and hearing fans think outside the box and WonderMan would be a very intriguing choice, but I still stand by based on what I heard Jeph Loeb talking about in Word Balloon that from #1-6 the clues are all there and we know who it is and yet we don’t know who it is, but by saying that, it’s someone from within the Hulk series, not anyone outside of it. Sure there could be elements that occur outside the series, not ruling that out, but it still plays within the series.
jec
October 7th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
the troyjan story line was good. it just wasn’t classic hulk. at the time x factor appeared X teams were appearing in every comic made. rick getting married was following a trend. but i will say the bachlor party sceen with the x rated movie star being marlo was classic. manthing fights with the hulk are good but in order for the man thing to win the hulk has to show fear. i just feel it was forced. i will say anytime the hulk catches on fire it’s cool. there was some good stuff that came out of the prof hulk, future imperfect was very good. the idea to bring back the bi-beast, u-foes, leader, nick fury were very good. i guess the point i’m getting at is the fact is marvel tried to hard to make the pantheon a group as neat as the avengers. i just don’t feel it worked, there was no connection. i don’t want to look at the hulk being a baby sitter, which i felt he was doing. the betty and veronica joke was real funny, but the pantheon stunk. some of my personal favorite stories were from around issue #190ish into the 200’s sal buscema was at his finest. just about every major hulk villian made an appearance. it made for some good exciting reading, and there wasn’t a group like the pantheon in every issue needing to be baby sat, instead there was the villian, and gen ross and the rest of the hulk busters hot on his tail.
John
October 7th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
That’s for explaining more about how you feel Jec. I don’t necessary have to like or agree, but I do understand where you are coming from.
Hey Jec and anyone else that post comments on here, what do you think about the next arc that Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness will work on that will feature the classic Defenders taking on the Offenders? Jeph Loeb said that Dr. Strange might wear a mask, apparently a long time ago he used to wear a mask, we’ve seen Ed’s Namor and of course his classic Hulk, oh wait, we saw his Dr. Strange in the Fallen Son series, but I can’t wait to see Ed draw the Silver Surfer, this next arc should be really cool, they’ll add another classic to their first six issues.
FACE
October 7th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Rulk is the short-haired Samson if it’s got to be somebody from the “HAVE YOU FIGURED IT OUT YET?” page. All other candidates have been ruled out. His hair matches Rulk’s, but there’s an issue concerning Samson’s longer hair in the last panels (though long-hair Samson is wearing torn pants). There has to be two Samson’s?! I still believe there’s a Blonsky connection here. Maybe he’s dressing up as Samson?
"Trueblevr"
October 7th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
What about Frank Castle…
…or Pete Wisdom, he generates heat ??
Peace-maker
October 7th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Hey everybody! Been a sec…
I am a merged Hulk fan above the different variations with the exception of WWHulk. BUT I will also admit to the stories at the time being very weak although him and Havok going at it was cool. I thought that a team up was gonna happen with them the way they fed off each others energies…
Even I have to admit that Wonder Man would be interesting indeed! He’s been used and abused for years…lol. But i thought that Wonder Man’s Ionic powers already gave him almost limitless power? Wasn’t he supposed to what Sentry is before there was a Sentry? If you catch my meaning…(Speaking of Sentry, he’s still a good canidate too.)
I agree with not understanding Rick being A-Bomb. Nice theories on that. Him being Rulk…i gotta be sold right to swallow that pill though just based on Rulk’s actions.
If Steve Rogers is Rulk, I don’t know whether to be happy to see him back or pissed off because he’s not Cap anymore.
And a correction of sorts: Apocalypse only deals with humans that ARE latent mutants in some shape, fashion, or form. He needs something to work with from the start, not a baseline human, to augment them into his vision.
Stark has suffered the biggest fall from grace as a superhero with all of his crap over the last few years. Rulk can easily be explained away as one of his grab for power antics. Everything else has been his fault one way or another and if Rulk is another slap in his face, then so be it. I’m game no matter who Rulk turns out to be.
A cloned Samson? If that’s the best they come up with…how disappointing would that be? Just make him a skrull if that’s the case!
jec
October 7th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
as long as it stays the origional defenders, it will rock. they are the best non-team any comic company has ever produced. it will be really interesting to see what the surfers reaction to the hulk is the first time after planet hulk. hulk beat him in the gladitorial games and then freed him, and punched him in the mouth. the surfer will want to thank him, or at least say something about it. if that persona of the hulk is dead the hulk won’t know what surfer is talking about and think he’s nuts. if the book stays as action packed as it has been it should great.
Peace-maker
October 7th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
I agree with JEC but they would still have to show each characters growth from the last time they teamed up. If everyone’s character has developed EXCEPT the Hulk, that would be disappointing…
jec
October 7th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
does anybody remember the character toro? he was the origional human torches kid partner, he died in sub-mariner #14, 1969. as a mutant he would fit into apocalypse’s view. he is a torch, that could explane the heat. a mutant can be mutated, look at the beast. a body was never recovered. and last but not least, bucky returned, if steve rogers returns, and namor. the invaders are back. alex ross series has turned some heads and maybe found some new, younger readers.
Peace-maker
October 7th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
I do! I forgot about him! Great point. I’d rather see the Defenders return over the Invaders though. A new Invaders with the New Cap/Bucky would be cool…
But that got me to thinkin…with the direction of Marvel U has been taking and the return of everything old school, what Eternals are we overlooking?
jec
October 7th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
if memory serves me, i think most of the eternals left earth in the uni-mind. i think the eternal best suited would be ajak. he was the mouthpiece of the celestials. although it could be a devient. we haven’t seen kro in a long time. most of the other eternal serve a purpose ajax kind of lost his in thor #300, when giea made an offering to the celestials of the young gods in order to judge in earth favor. the celestials shouldn’t be back to earth to judge the dominant life forms.
John
October 8th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Ironman
Maria Hill
She-Hulk
General Ross
Doc Samson
Rick Jones
Bruce Banner
The long hair Doc Samson is like a ploy, a measure of deception, but if you look back from 1-6, Doc Samson(w/short hair) and the red Hulk are never in the same place. Everyone else on that list has seen or encountered the red Hulk. One way or another it all points to Doc Samson and him alone. You could throw the Skrull idea out or another dimension out, one way or another it’s Doc Samson.
John
October 8th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
I suppose you could say Shield Agents Clay and Gabe, but we all know that Clay is dead and I don’t believe that Gabe has any real involvement with the red Hulk with the exception of trying to figure out who he is.
TYGAH
October 8th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
BEFORE I HAD SETTLED INTO THE THEORY OF RED HULK BEING SAMSON, IF YA’LL SCROLL WAAAAY UP, LOL LOL, U’LL SEE THAT I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS CLAY QUARTERMAIN. AFTER RE-READING THE WHOLE RED HULK SITUATION AGAIN, I’M GONNA GO BACK TO THAT DECISION.
1. LIKE THE O.J. SIMPSON CASE, EVERYTHING POINTS TO A SPECIFIC PERSON, BUT JUST BECAUSE ALL PROOF SAYS THAT IT IS, DON’T MEAN THAT IT ISN’T.
2. CLAY HAS BEEN EXPOSED TO GAMMA RADIATION JUST BY BEING NEAR THE GRAY HULK FOR AS LONG AS HE DID. REMEMBER THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THIS EXPOSURE THAT BETTY BECAME AFFECTED.
3. EVEN THOUGH SAMSON HAS/HAD SHORT HAIR, IT WASN’T THE SAME STYLE HAS RULK’S. MARIA HILL WAS A BETTER MATCH IN THAT AREA. PLUS, RULK HAS A BASIC MILITARY HAIRCUT ANYWAY.
4. THE FACT THAT HEZ NOT ON THE “WHO IS RED HULK”? LIST DOESN’T MEAN THAT HEZ NOT REALLY ON IT.
5. IT WAS JUST “SAID” THAT HE WAS BURNT, BUT THATOULD REALLY HAVE BEEN ANYBODY’S BODY OR A FAKE TO HIDE HIS IDENTITY.
6. CLAY HAS/HAD SHIELD CLEARANCE TO ENTER THE BASE AS WELL AS THE HELICARRIER.
7. RICK CAN IDENTIFY CLAY.
8. EVEN THOUGH HULK CAN IDENTIFY RICK THROUGH HIS A-BOMB PERSONA, HE WOULDN’T KNOW CLAY (GRAY HULK AND BANNER WOULD KNOW WHO HE IS/WAS), THEY’VE NEVER MET.
9. RULK DOESN’T LIKE STARK, SAMSON OR ROSS, BUT DIDN’T SHOW A HATRED FOR NICK FURY OR SHIELD. THIS SHOWS THAT ITZ PERSONAL.
JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO THINK ABOUT.
EITHER THAT OR GLENN TALBOT’S BROTHER FROM THE GAMMA SQUAD.
RPM
October 8th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I’m convinced it’s Quartermain. Only thing is, was he in WWHulk at the end? I can’t remember without digging it up.
Now that that’s settled, we need to come up with a better name for the red dude. I don’t like Rulk. Maybe Relk, lol.
How about:
H-Bomb
Fire Bomb
F-Bomb
Red Giant
Captain Pissed
Atomic Fireball
Red Rage
Klem Kadiddlehopper
TYGAH
October 8th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
RED HOT CHILI PEPPER, LOL LOL LOL
RPM
October 8th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Dirty Sanchez
jec
October 8th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
hulkbanero
John
October 8th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Before I say anything, I gotta stop and laugh. Those are some funny choices for the replacement name of Rulk. If Rulk was such a bad name or idea I don’t think Jeph Loeb or Marvel would have added it to the series, well kinda of. It was just stated with the question as to who the red Hulk is if we have figured it out or not.
I’ll give this a try though on the whole name pitching thing.
Crimson Massacure
Cherry Bomb…lol…I couldn’t resist:)
Ruby Destroyer
Temper Red
Bad Blood
Hope I didn’t do too bad. I don’t mind if you laugh or think they are dumb, I can be happy that I tried and shared a few ideas.
John
October 8th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
I love hearing your idea and as to why you think it is that person Tygah, but how do you explain that they found Clay Quatermain dead or assumed dead? That’s very good how you pointed, just because he wasn’t apart of the pictures doesn’t mean that he isn’t involved, the same can be said about Shield Agent Gabe too. Again I don’t think Gabe is involved with regards to being this red Hulk, I think he’s only involved to figure out who this red Hulk is. Being that Clay and Gabe were really good friends and with him being dead or presumed dead, I’m sure Gabe and Shield or going to want to take their shot at this red Hulk.
RPM
October 8th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Just read #6.
It’s Quartermain. It’s the only person that to me makes sense.
The dead body was either Skrull or an LMD. Stark was told he was dead right in front of us all to throw us off the trail.
He meets all the criteria, except that he’s “dead”.
We should all note that it’s definitely NOT Ross or Samson either.
TYGAH
October 8th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
NO PROB, JOHN.
THEY “FOUND” A DEAD BURNED BODY, THEN “CLAIMED” THAT IT WAS CLAY’S.
THE BEST WAY TO HIDE A SECRET IS TO HIDE IT IN PLAIN SIGHT.
EX:- SUPERMAN WEARING GLASSES IS CLARK KENT
THOR WEARING GLASSES IS SIGURD JARLSON
ALL THEY DID WAS SAY THAT CLAY WAS BURNED UP AND SHOWED A CHARRED BODY, NOTHING WAS MENTIONED OF AN AUTOPSY TO VERIFY HIS IDENTITY. PLUS, U HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT SHIELD IS A SPY ORGANIZATION SO ITZ USED TO DECEPTION AND ARE MASTERS AT IT.
EVEN THOUGH STARK HAS BEEN PART OF SHIELD SINCE ITZ INCEPTION, HE STILL DOESN’T KNOW ALL THE SECRETS AND SKELETONS THAT THEY POSSESS. SO EVEN HE IS STILL IN THE DARK ABOUT A LOT.
jec
October 9th, 2008 at 10:53 am
i like clay as a canidate, he’s an old old character and fits the spot well. maybe to well? if loeb is going back to some of the older issues to get some inspiration it could be clay. clay first appeared in strange tales #163. he has been around a while. a face lift would not hurt this character as much as say juggernaut, who is a great character as is. clay is also a nick fury guy, that’s who he worked under for most of his career, he also has a working relationship with gen ross, in the old hulk buster days, very common in the hulk series of the mid to late 70’s.
John
October 9th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Let me just say that I really love how all of you are not just saying who you think it is, but giving good reasons why you think it is this person. All these comments on Clay are impressive, but let’s not forget one thing shall we…
In Hulk #2 when red Hulk speared Ironman out of this wall, Ironman was talking to Clay while watching the red Hulk and Ironman fall so how could Clay and this red Hulk be one and the same?
Once again you all have very good claims, but I just think that one scene in issue 2 blows your guys cover is all. With the exception of how issue 6 ended with all of us seeing a long haired Doc Samson when back in issue 1 he had short hair, we haven’t seen Doc Samson since. You can’t just say that the spotlight is off of Doc Samson, in my opinion it just can’t be done. If that is the one and the same Doc Samson, how did he grow his hair back so quickly? If there’s two Doc Samson’s, how did he get to the Marvel (616) Universe? Is one of the Doc Samson’s a Skrull? We know that Doc Samson was apart of Civil War and World War Hulk and during when the red Hulk was fighting Thor, he knew that Thor was not apart of any of those events. After giving it some more thought, the Talbot theory is pretty good, but he was only there for World War Hulk and not the Civil War so I’m starting to feel “ifie” about the whole thing.
John
October 9th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Oh I forgot, it appeared that Shield Agent Gabe acknowledged it was Clay’s death so how could this be an act of deception on Shield’s part and the way General Ross was talking at the end of Hulk # 6 with his involvement with this red Hulk?
jec
October 9th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
samson learned a long time ago he’s not worth snott in the strength department with his hair cut, and with his ego i don’t think he would cut it again. long haired samson is the real deal. clay worked under nick fury, who faked his own death, and comes into the helecarrier any time he pleases. surely clay has learned a thing or two from nick. like fake a death. in civil war samson was very closed minded and given his chosen profession he should have thought about things a little better. besides if your the red hulk what’s the best way to pass the buck than make the people think someone else is.
RPM
October 9th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
[i]“In Hulk #2 when red Hulk speared Ironman out of this wall, Ironman was talking to Clay while watching the red Hulk and Ironman fall so how could Clay and this red Hulk be one and the same?”[/i]
Good argument, but…
The best way to hide a big lie is out in the open.
Quartermain was tending to Ross, who is in on all this. You see him there, then Iron Man starts to try and trail red guy, and he appears and, as you say, spears him through the wall, and Quartermain is standing there calling out to Stark.
If this Quartermain is a LMD, as I suspect he is, this is the perfect way to hide the truth. He was not a Skrull because after much thought, it would raise questions as to why there are two Clays where the existence of a LMD Clay would not.
And clay (earth) is red, so there’s the best argument lol.
RPM
October 9th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Ultimately, I would like to think it is Blonsky, and the Abomination that was murdered was a Skrull or something.
You can’t get rid of Emil Blonsky/Abomination. You just can’t.
Maybe it’s him, then whatever Ross and Samson did to him to enhance him will wear off and he’ll mutate back, but this time he’ll look like the movie Abomination.
jec
October 9th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
in hulk #24 and #25 after ross found out who killed betty, he gave bruce the ok, no he encouraged bruce and the hulk to destroy the abomination/blonsky. wouldn’t he be after the red hulk more so now than he ever was after the banner hulk. at least the green hulk loved betty. if ross knew it was blonsky he would use anything and anybody to stop him. he would have let banner out and then tried to recapture him. banner is familiar terratory. he knows how greenjeans thinks.
John
October 9th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
RPM and Jec thanks for sharing your comments.
I do understand where you are coming from with this whole deception part on Clay Quatermain and that would solve this great mystery for this Hulk series and if you turn out to be right, then I’ll say congrates, but I’m still convinced by what I saw in Hulk # 2 that Clay and this red Hulk can’t be one and the same.
I recall that battle between Hulk and Abomination and when the Hulk had Abomination down for the count General Ross wanted to have him finish him off, but Hulk proved that he wouldn’t cross the line and be a killer or a monster that he’s been called for years. Even though General Ross was seeking retribution, that story proved that he was the monster and not the Hulk.
The idea of the original Abomination not being killed and having it be a Skrull is a pretty cool idea just so the classic foe can remain in the Hulk Universe, but if Jeph Loeb was willing to take out Sabertooth in the Wolverine series and Marvel approved, I think it’s only fair to believe the same could be said about the death of the Abomination. Now we call know that a character never really stays dead so there’s hope for both Sabertooth and Abomination, it’s just a question of when they’ll come back and by which writer willing to tell the story?
RPM
October 9th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
I keep forgetting about Betty. No, Red guy is not Blonsky for sure.
gotta be Clay.
Plus, now it seems that when Rick got stabbed and taken away that maybe he was “re-engineered” at the same time whoever the red guy (I refuse to call him Hulk) was “created” by Ross and Samson.
But why?
Maybe they thought another gamma powered super being might not be Hulk approved, and they’d fight with the intent of A-Bomb either subdueing or killing the Hulk. But they didn’t count on the bond Bruce and Rick had. Hulk still recognized Rick. I think it’s because Hulk was starting to change and Bruce was taking over, and even though Rick was mutated, he had voice recognition and during that period of transition, Bruce and Hulk share memories, so he also recognized Rick’s personality and traits while he was Hulk.
jec
October 10th, 2008 at 10:37 am
just a thought. incredible hulk #171. hulk fights the abomination and rhino at gammabase. the funny thing is, the abomination pulls a gun on the hulk and fires at his feet. this tells me blonsky would use a weapon. it might suggest the skrull theory, in order to keep the flow of secret invasion. I Will Be The First To Say This. THE RED HULK DOES NOT HAVE CLAERANCE! yes, the gate at gammabase only said “scan complete. subject’s I.D. confirmed as-” and then it was smased, followed by the guns popping out of the ground firing at red hulk. it took defensive measures. the red hulk must not be gammabase friendly. blonsky is fitting the bill more and more. samson is a friendly face at gammabase and has clearance. what about the space phantom as samson. lol. it would explane samson appearances. i just like that idea better than the skrulls.
John
October 10th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
At one point the Abomination was captured and was forced to watch a memory of his past life with a former love of his, this was due to the fact that they were punishing him for killing Betty. During the Abomination’s inprisonment, is it possible that they took some blood and DNA samples from him and then due to the fact that they knew Rick Jones was once a Hulk, they figured since he was almost going to die, if he was going to live, he would have no choice but to become the next verison of the Abomination, because they knew the original one would be sought out and killed? During this process of experiment this is where Rick Jones would come to find out who the red Hulk was, but he kept it a secert until he was able to see Bruce again. I understand that he would do this for their friendship and he knew that Bruce’s Hulk would take care of the red Hulk, but I wonder why he didn’t share this information with the other heroes of the Marvel Universe since he knows them and they know him? I guess even as A-Bomb, Rick was following under the steps of Bruce since he knows what kind of life he’s had to life as the Hulk. This is also taking place during Secret Invasion so is there a connection or not? Whenever there’s a big event in Marvel, we all know that there will be tie-ins to the event, but usually they have something posted on the cover of the book or when they announce the previews a head of time, but if there’s any involvement between these two events, it is sure being kept hush-hush. It is a mystery from beginning to end I suppose. The strangest part of all this mystery is, if this red Hulk isn’t Bruce Banner and it’s got a Hulk form and we know the madder he gets the hotter he gets is kinda like The Sentry’s power of a million exploding suns, how did the military or alien force capture all that energy to make a new Hulk? Why couldn’t this new red Hulk be a hybrid, even if this Hulk is seperate from Bruce Banner. I know the red Hulk says he’s not Banner that he is his own man and monster, but let’s not forget that when Bruce would transform into the Hulk, the Hulk would not acknowledge that he was Bruce, they could not be one and the same. It would make sense for this red Hulk to say he’s not Banner because he wouldn’t revert back into Banner, he would be all that energy that was exposed after the fight between Hulk and The Sentry. If it has to be another person, I still say it should be someone from the Hulk Universe, be it Doc Samson, one of the Talbots or The Leader. Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness have not shown the Talbots or The Leader so that of course leaves Doc Samson and there seems to be two of them. If it can’t be Bruce, then let it be Doc Samson.
RPM
October 10th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
A-Bomb didn’t say who red guy is because of his limited intelligence and obviously he doesn’t even know he’s Rick.
Rick knows who red guy is because he saw the person as the person and not as red guy.
Did you not notice that when red guy first shows up behind Rick and says what he says, and Rick looks around and says “you were wrong as always”, then he says “What the hell?”. He said that because red guy transformed before his eyes. This was a flaw in red guy’s plan. He ambushed Rick as himself believing he was going to kill Rick and he couldn’t reveal his identity. Now they’re probably going to brainwash Rick.
Now, when Rick says “…wrong as always…” suggests that this person is also Rick doesn’t like or has had a lot of disagreements in the past. This is another hint, but I’ll be damned if I know what it means.
Still convinced it’s Quartermain.
jec
October 10th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
the red hulk kind of talks in the same style an the abomination did of past books. smart but not to brainy, always taunting him making him madder and stronger. the red hulk does the same thing to the green hulk. he’s not to familer with havin this amount of power. issue 6 he was suffering burnout. long haired samson is evil. short haired samson is good but knows an awful lot about the red hulks fight with abomination, for a doctor, and not a tracker.
John
October 10th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
I know that A-Bomb didn’t reveal who the red Hulk was, Rick was going to tell Hulk while he might’ve reverted back into Banner if it wasn’t for Doc Samson(long-hair) zapping him.
I think it’s very interesting that first Hercules takes over the Hulk series and then we have this new series and don’t get me wrong I was thrilled that the green Hulk got payback on the red Hulk, but so far and until this mystery gets solved the Hulk series will be aimed at someone else and not the true Hulk. I think it’s amazing that if Doc Samson or the original Abomination(I haven’t forgotten that some of you think it’s Clay Quatermain or one of the Talbots or Juggernaut…) was this new red Hulk, yet another character stealing the spotlight off of the Hulk and his series. Don’t get me wrong I love what Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness are doing, the same can be said about Art Adams and Frank Cho and I very much look foward to Ed returning and seeing the Defenders face off against the Offenders, but it’s time for the real deal Hulk to take back his series and role as the true “strongest one there is”.
John
October 10th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
I was happy to see that Thor and Hulk are friends and being that we’ve seen many talks about the Avengers trio of the new Captain America, Ironman and Thor reunite, what about adding the Hulk? Besides the Defenders, the Hulk was once an Avenger too. I know the Hulk still has to deal with the red Hulk, but c’mon is there any of you that would reject Hulk tagging along the classic trio to fight and take out and win against the Skrulls? Let’s hope for AVENGERS ASSEMBLE AND HULK SMASH together.
Anonymous
October 10th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
i’m going to say it again. red hulk does not have security clearance. gammabase only recognized who it was, and then went on the defensive. the guns shot at red hulk but not a-bomb.
jec
October 10th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
i’m screwed up on my last entry anonymous was i.
"Trueblevr"
October 11th, 2008 at 11:32 am
oK…so I just read X-Men Manifest Destiny (#2) and even though none of you beleaved me…its TRUE!
Cain MArko admitted hes RULK…
"Trueblevr"
October 11th, 2008 at 11:33 am
…J/K but how cool would that be
"Trueblevr"
October 11th, 2008 at 11:38 am
But he he did disprove my “theory” so its not Cain (anyone else ever wonder why Juggernaut and Sandman have the same last name) I guess I am back to beleaving in the Tony Stark as RULK (FIRECROTCH ? LOL) and the current IM in the SKRULL battle is a Skrull…
…speeking of secret Invasion, Where’s ROBERT REYNOLDS (SENTRY -powered by the SUN/HEAT) been since SI #1 or 2….since he flew away freaking out…?
RPM
October 11th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Here’s what doesn’t make much sense about the whole thing.
Red guy was obviously “engineered” to take out the Hulk, by Ross/Samson. and for no other reason.
Why?
Bruce Banner was held captive down below the Earth’s surface and looked pretty safe that he was going nowhere. Gave absolutely no indication that he even wanted to get out.
What was the need for red dude? Absolutely none when you consider the timing.
Was red dude created to go against Green Skar because it looked like Sentry wasn’t going to be “up to it”?
But then Sentry surprised everybody by showing up, and it was over before red guy was “complete”? Absolutely no purpose for red guy to even exist. Could Bruce have been in on it himself. A fail-safe, if you will, in case he DID break out and become a threat again? There’d be somebody that could possibly contain and subdue him?
Why oh why does Rulk exist?
OK, so now I need to go back and read WW Hulk and find the part where they go to Sentry’s house. Maybe whoever red guy is was in that group of people.
I think less now that it’s Quartermain lol….
Starting to think it really IS Talbot, and that the whole “died by being covered with lava” thing is what ties the whole madder/hotter thing.
RPM
October 11th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Here’s what doesn’t make much sense about the whole thing.
Red guy was obviously “engineered” to take out the Hulk, by Ross/Samson. and for no other reason.
Why?
Bruce Banner was held captive down below the Earth’s surface and looked pretty safe that he was going nowhere. Gave absolutely no indication that he even wanted to get out.
What was the need for red dude? Absolutely none when you consider the timing.
Was red dude created to go against Green Skar because it looked like Sentry wasn’t going to be “up to it”?
But then Sentry surprised everybody by showing up, and it was over before red guy was “complete”? Absolutely no purpose for red guy to even exist. Could Bruce have been in on it himself. A fail-safe, if you will, in case he DID break out and become a threat again? There’d be somebody that could possibly contain and subdue him?
Why oh why does Rulk exist?
OK, so now I need to go back and read WW Hulk and find the part where they go to Sentry’s house. Maybe whoever red guy is was in that group of people.
I think less now that it’s Quartermain lol….
Starting to think it really IS Talbot, and that the whole “died by being covered with lava” thing is what ties the whole madder/hotter thing.
Oh, and the fact that the Shield base even confirmed red guy’s identity implies that he has clearance. Security would not bother to identify somebody without clearance. It would just put out an intruder alert, and react with necessity to the threat posed. With him destroying the sensor, security then sensed an attack and acted accordingly.
RPM
October 11th, 2008 at 11:48 am
oops…messed up post. second post says same as first, but with last paragraph added. sorry for my ineptitude lol.
RPM
October 11th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Stark is not red guy. Impossible.
red guy would point out that Iron Man is an imposter, don’t you think? I mean, red guy obviously has no identity crisis. He knows who he is. He would darn sure know Stark/Iron Man was a fake and would call it out.
"Trueblevr"
October 11th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
I dont think he’d admit his TRUE identity…he’s still in awe over his power, he was stoked he “beet” The all mighty Thor and that he survived his jump from the moon to earth…
"Trueblevr"
October 11th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
….I like the Talbot/Lave theory though too, I just havent followed the HULK comics untill WWH and newer enought to really agree or argue your theory…
…as far as Banner being involved maybe he does know Rulk is Stark cause he did help him or it was an accident or something, if you think about HULK at the beginning of the RULK saga when BRUCE was still below ground he whispered SOMETHING to Ross and “Stark” was trying sooo hard to know what he whispered…was it IM is a Skrull I dont know where the real Tony is…?
"Trueblevr"
October 11th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Plus the fact that RULK was so impressed w/his new POWER sort of indicates it’s someone who has never been SO STRONG…so maybe all the Human guess’ really are good one’s…
Stark, Clay, Talbot…etc…
…Blonky is use to power so would he be sooo impressed ?
"Trueblevr"
October 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
…Maybe the Skrulls “cooked up” Rulk and the Samson and Ross we saw walk off w/Rick Jones were Skrull shape shifters…
jec
October 11th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
y’know the funny thing is sandman’s last name was origionally baker. sentry at the end of the fight with hulk, in ww hulk, turns back into robert reynolds almost like he burns out. banner turns back into hulk and goes into the worldbreaker mode. reynolds absorbs gamma radiation, along with residual solar power for heat. they have a long past. the gamma rays could change his attitude towards banner and the hulk. heck just about everything. the reaction in hulk #6 was similar he was burning out and hulk was able to connect with the punches needed to win the fight. robert reynolds anyone?
jec
October 11th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
if red hulks powers are far above the abominations power blonsky would be loving it. he has always loved his power. at the time he was poet blonsky he wasn’t to sure he liked his looks. the one person in hulk history who has hated both banner and the hulk the most has been glenn talbot. glenn loved betty, he even married her, but her heart always belonged to bruce. glenn hated rick because of his loyality to bruce/hulk. ross, samson have a working history that goes back years(red hulk said he was waiting years for this). talbot would be in impressed with himself and his new powers. maybe samson and ross have a silent partner. the leader has been known to do this kind of thing in the past. when glenn died he crashed into the side of a volcano, lava spewed onto the warwagon but no body was ever recovered. at the same time hulk had been dealing with the leader.
TYGAH
October 11th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
SANDMAN IS ACTAULLY A COUSIN OF NORMAN OSBORNE (GREEN GOBLIN). HE CHOSE THE NAME MARKO BECAUSE A COACH ONCE TOLD HIM THAT HE SHOULD MAKE A “MARK” ON SOCIETY.
HIS HAIRSTYLE ALONE SHOULD BE A GIVEAWAY TO THEIR FAMILIAL RELATIONSHIP.
TYGAH
October 11th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
HEY JEC,
MY QUESTION ON THAT THEORY IS THIS:
LETZ SAY THAT IT IS REYNOLDS, THEN IF HE TRANSFORMED INTO RULK, WOULDN’T THEN “THE VOID” BE TRANSFORMED TOO?
AND SINCE THEY ARE POLAR OPPOSITES OF EACH OTHER, THEN THE VOID SHOULD BE SOME SUPER DUPER GOOD GUY.
jec
October 11th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
i don’t think we can establish if the red hulk is a good guy or bad guy yet. the things he is doing is fighting the hulk and a-bomb. sure he wrecked shield’s helecarrier, but it could be considered a training exercise. until we really know samson and ross’ motives and who there working with we cant say. he could just be following orders. if the red hulk is working for the goodguys as for the void he may become a an even bigger threat than he did as void. until we can tell if red hulk is a bad guy he isn’t really doing anything different than a lot of other heros. the ff destroy a lot of property, the avengers destroy a lot of property. it’s because of good guys damage control was formed. the hulk wasn’t really bad he just wanted to be left alone, the army and hulkbusters would let him be.
"Trueblevr"
October 11th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
IF it was Robert I think the Void could explain some of the reasons RULK is so “angry”….cept why cant RULK fly ??
I wasnt really proposing Sentry as a possibility as much as pointing out…where is he, I still wont rule it out though…some one else above even said Simon/Wonder Man….possible, but again…why cant RULK fly ?
THX for clearing the Marko question…I didnt even know about the Osborn relationship at all…this is all so fun…and funny for me;
Among my “peers” and my wife I am “the Comic dork” but on this site I get skooled all the time…LOL!
…I guess part of my problem is I mostly only follow X-Books…and the big crossovers….
"Trueblevr"
October 11th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
…speaking of crossovers just read Deadpool #3 and Norman Osborn took an interes step into the MERC w/a mouth arc, could he have anuthing to do w/RULK as well ?
TYGAH
October 11th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
true, but through all of his actions, a murderous intent was always shown. looks at the fights he’s had so far, not once was he content with just beating his opponent, but instead, he wanted to kill them.
not even an antio-heroe is that violent. yes, thwill kill, but only if need be. red hulk just wats to do it to relish in his power.
is damage control still around? i remember when it was a limited series.
jec
October 11th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
damage control came in to help repair new york after ww hulk. yes he has showed an agressive and murderious attitude but that could be gammaray treatment enhanced. a soldier is trained to kill his enemy but is he bad for doing so? some say yes some say no. how about a police officer. reynolds is not a trained soldier, but the gamma rays could make him more agressive. it could be that the void was not set free at all because the gamma ray that enpowered the red hulk is different than the syrum of a billion exploding suns. the void could still be part of reynolds and the red hulk. this would make him nastier than normal. banner never split into different entities while changing into the hulk. some versions of the hulk were different but there was never two at one time.
"Trueblevr"
October 11th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Dude…(off subject) how great would it be if RULK was the villain in the up coming Avengers Movie ???
TYGAH
October 11th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
u just prove my point by using a police officer. cops are deterants(?), not enforcers, at least thatz what they are supposed to be. having a gun doesn’t make them killers, the actions that they do with the gun is what changes them.
red hulk shows more aggssion than a cop or a soldier thatz under fire. hez more like dolph lundgren in universal soldier, a person mentally unstable and given powers to back it up. that right there is a nasty combination. ex:- carnage/cletus cassidy
true, the gamma could make him more aggressive, but only if that who he was b4 being submitted to it. gamma only releases who u really are inside.
but if the void wasn’t released from reynolds as the red hulk, then u’d have the same dilema(?) as banner wih MPD. reynolds and viod would be fighting for dominance over the powerful form of the red hulk. at no time during the six issues has red hulk had to deal with that internal conflict.
TYGAH
October 11th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
that would be hotttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol lol lol
jec
October 11th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
the six issues dosn’t span a lot of time. i’ve known ex-navy seals and they’re tough dudes. each one goes through special training, almost reconditioning, to fit back into socieity. what about those who don’t? who may volinteer for an expairment turns red and loaded with power? killing what he feels is an for is an option. the void being evil maybe the conciousness driving the red hulk. old robert may be trapped in red hulks melon somewhere.
jec
October 11th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
hulk #1 page 4 top left panel. she hulk is standing in abominations footprint and there is glass sparkling in his footprint. of course red hulks foot prints are sparkling but why would abominations? abomination never said a thing, he has always tounted hulk in the past, could he ba a brainless vessel? also if rick in alaska somewhere, how does he know the abomination was killed by the red hulk? gammabase recognized red hulk and went on defense there was no security clearance.
jec
October 11th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
researching back issues. hulk #425. final days of the pantheon. achilles and ulysses are in final battle. achilles holds a gun pointed at ulysses and is ready to shoot him. the look on his face is about the same as red hulk in hulk #1. he hates bruce banner/hulk with a passion and was never really able to beat him the was he wanted to. he was involnerable to anything except gamma rays. his father agamemnon is immortal, being a decendent of asgard. at the end of the story we see achilles dying? this is comic books. could he have survived? he hates the huk, he wants to be the one to kill him. how do you make sure your the one. kill off the enemies of ol greenjeans. he has a very big past with samson. could it be the return of the new pantheon?
"Trueblevr"
October 11th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Wow…the legendary Achilles as RULK…no thats a theory!!!…
RPM
October 12th, 2008 at 12:17 am
“The Gamma base recognizing somebody without clearance” doesn’t hold up. Security knew who the red guy is. Absolutely.
One other theory is that Ross is a Skrull, and red guy is Ross. Shaved his moustache off. Long haired Samson is Skrull also.
Ross somehow makes a deal with Skrulls. They tell him they can give him enough power to destroy the Hulk.
The Skrull Ross and/or Samson would lurk about near his battles and somehow boost his power to make him stronger than Hulk. End the end, he couldn’t help lord it over the Hulk and became over confident and burned himself out.
Then the Skrull Ross tells him he failed after he was given everything
The bit about red guy constantly making references that would lead you to think he was in the military…”you have no idea what it’s like to be in battle…” stuff like that. Ross would say stuff like that.
Hell, I don’t know…it’s going to end up being lame probably.
RPM
October 12th, 2008 at 12:24 am
Crusher Creel!
Just thought I’d throw that in lol.
RPM
October 12th, 2008 at 12:29 am
So, Ross makes the deal with the Skrulls to keep silent about the invasion in order to receive the power to destroy the Hulk. Shaves his moustache to hide his identity.
The Skrulls know it’s in their interest to take out the Hulk, pre-invasion so they meet up with Ross and make the deal.
Ross sells out the entire planet so he can personally take out the Hulk – plus he figures the Earth’s super hero types can repell the Skrulls as they have before.
Would make more sense than ever why he’d off the Abomination, the attitude toward She Hulk and Rick and Stark, and the things he would say during battle.
And the reason he’d refer to himself in third person while battling Thor is the same as why Hulk insists he’s not Banner.
RPM
October 12th, 2008 at 12:34 am
I left out that as I said before, the Skrulls would be nearby and would somehow boost Ross’ power.
Now that “he’s on his own” perhaps he’s stuck like this for a while anyway. I know he transformed at will in front of Rick, but maybe that’s assisted by the Skrulls also.
So, now, without the power boost, he’ll likely be around the same strength as the Thing. This will allow him to stick around for a while and battle some heroes. I see he’ll battle She Hulk, Valkerie and Thundra. Well, he’d wipe them all out if left at his current strength level, so I think we can expect to see a big drop in that now.
jec
October 12th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
the thing is this. gammabase only confirmed the identity. not as friend or foe. but it went on the defense as soon as it scanned, and shot at the red hulk. this leades me to believe he was unfriendly, or didn’t have the clearance to enter. just inside the fence the systems informed red hulk and a-bomb they were in an authorized area only, and to surrender now. many villians have been held at gamma base over the years and i.d.’s would have been taken. marvel comics have listed absorbing man as a character to watch.
John
October 13th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
WOW!!! I would have never guessed there would be 34 new posts. It’s great to see fans bounce back and forth ideas and see what hits and what misses.
The comment about the red Hulk being the villian in the Avengers movie sounds alot better then having the green Hulk be the villian.
Is Marvel giving a hint that Absorbing Man might be the red Hulk? I only ask due to what Jec posted and I remember a Wizard article that featured Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness talking about Ultimates 4 and there was a question relating to who would you like to see mixed up with gamma rays and Ed McGuinness said Absorbing Man while Jeph Loeb joked about Ericka Durance from Smallville. Even though we haven’t seen Absorbing Man anywhere in this new Hulk series, he would make a great suspect on who this red Hulk is.
jec
October 13th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
in hulk #4 red hulk calls the hulk a milksop. the only person to call banner that ever in hulk history is ross. ross could fit the bill, because he has wanted to beat of kill the hulk longer than anybody else. long haired is an ass. short haired samson is more like samson has been like in past years. red hulk was a part of civil war and ww hulk. ross mentions at the end of book #6 WE gave you all of the power you needed to destroy the green hulk. not only did you fail us but you failed yourself. using the term we could mean there is more than two people behind the redhulk creation. there must be since ross and samson couldn’t do it alone. ricks reaction to red hulk coming up behind him was not of suprise but of recognition, suprise came into play when he became the red hulk. could it be a clean shaven ross, and the ross with the mustach along with long haired samson is the impersonator. some of you have said yes. some may think no. i’m leaning twords ross.
John
October 13th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
What makes this mystery so tricky is almost all the characters that are involved in this Hulk series, and I mean the main characters, not the add in ones, they’ve all encountered the red Hulk.
How could the red Hulk be Bruce Banner when he can transform into the green Hulk and clash with the red mirror verison?
How could the red Hulk be Rick Jones when he can transform into the new Abomination known as A-Bomb and clash with the red Hulk?
How could the red Hulk be She-Hulk when she got choked out by him and Iroman and Maria Hill with only a quick glimpse saw her kidnapping and the aftermath of the brutal assult?
How could the red Hulk be Ironman when before She-Hulk was kidnapped, he had his visor up showing of course that he’s Tony Stark from within the armor?
The confusion with Doc Samson being the red Hulk is that we see a Doc Samson with long hair taking Rick Jones away after zapping him before he could tell Bruce who the red Hulk really was. In the beginning of the series we see a Doc Samson with short hair.
The confusion with General Ross being the red Hulk was that you saw Clay Quatermain with him on the Helicarrier and he was hunting the Hulk like he usually does. The facial hair is another key element. Then you find him standing in front of Bruce Banner and you can’t hear what is truly being said to one another. Then at the very end you see General Ross talking down to the unconscience red Hulk.
I want to say a definate no to Maria Hill being the red Hulk, but before She-Hulk got kidnapped, it was funny how she was holding the same model gun that Shield makes and the same model-like gun that took out the original Abomination.
This is alittle out of subject.
I thought it was interesting that the green Hulk could track down the red Hulk and A-Bomb could do the same thing too. It was interesting to see Ironman question, how does the Hulk know exactly where to find the red Hulk? It’s like being exposed to gamma rays, all gamma ray beings are somehow linked to one another one way or another. I wonder if that will play more of a big role in this new Hulk series?
jec
October 13th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
only two people would call banner a milksop. stan lee and thunderbolt ross. red hulk called banner a milksop, and i don’t think he’s stan the man.
John
October 13th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Forgive me if I am wrong on this, but just for asking sake, before Steve Rogers became Captain America, wasn’t he often referred just like Banner to be “puny” and “milksop”? I know that this question might not make a real difference, but I thought that I would ask is all.
That would be the greatest surprise of them all if the creator of the Hulk Stan Lee turned out to be this new red Hulk…LOL!!! I realize that is not possible, but what if Joe Q, Jeph Loeb, Marvel and Stan Lee were behide it all, that would just show the Marvel fans to their core now wouldn’t it?
jec
October 13th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
i don’t think the really referred to steve rogers as a “milksop.” they referred to him as a 4f canadate.
jec
October 13th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
thinking about the “we gave you everything needed to beat the hulk and you failed.” comment. could aim, hydra, or the pantheon be behind all of this? each group would have the tech to pull something like this off. they all have a past with the hulk and shield, and it could lead on to bigger stuff down the road. could the leader be teaming up with samson and ross. better yet could the leader be controlling samson and ross. he’s due to make a comeback sooner or later.
RPM
October 14th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Stan Lee was exposed to gamma radiation by drinking the Brazilian soda contaminated with Bruce’s blood! LMAO!
Nah…it’s Ross….or Crusher Creel lol…..heeeh heeeeee
John
October 14th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
That would be funny if the new Hulk movie gave us a hint (about the Jeph Loeb Hulk book) that Stan “The Man” Lee would be the red Hulk since Bruce Banner is already the green Hulk.
I love the idea of Crusher Creel aka The Absorbing Man being this new red Hulk, but I know fans would ask, where was he during World War Hulk, if the red Hulk is a direct result afterwards? Plus, did Crusher Creel grow hair and we’re not all that aware of it. I only ask because he’s bald and that time that Bruce Banner shaved his head, the Hulk was bald too.
The majority of me still thinks based on what I heard from Jeph Loeb on Word Balloon, this new red Hulk has to be someone within the series, but what makes it tricky is practically everyone has been around or dealt with the red Hulk, it’s enough to make a fan go crazy sometimes trying to find the right person, prove that is the right person and everything. I’m wondering if Jeph Loeb is going to wait until the very end of his Hulk run to reveal everything and the truth be out there just like what he did in Superman/Batman. He’s been giving us clues all this time and I guess were all suppose to know who the red Hulk is already, but there still hasn’t been a difinite answer and reveal just yet. I guess we won’t find out the whole truth until Hulk # 25 or # 26 if it follows the Superman/Batman trade.
jec
October 14th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
rereading the books 1-6 i paid closer attention to the bold typed words, looking for clues as to who the red hulk could be. the first that really stood out was ross and samson were both scanned for security clearance and passed the checkpoint untroubled. the abominations footprint has glass in it. rick is stand in alaska just outside of a destroyed section of pipeline. red hulk used a gun to kill. and of course banner is still in jail. on the helecarrier ross and clay are togather samson is gone, shehulk and iron man fight redhulk as hill gets away. all characters are togather in one place except samson. big mystery all files on the hulk are erased. rick is outside of gammabase someone he seems to knowwell enough to give a smart ass responce to shows up and turns in the redhulk. rick is shows no suprise at the person. he may not have died. if he had died rick would show suprise at his return. reick becomes a-bomb, for the first time? second, third? banner whispers something to ross. sideburns on redhulk are not a pronounced as on samson. gammabase confirms i.d. but goes on the defense. both are in a restricted area. the idea of the harpies looking like betty dosn’t bother red hulk at all. green hulk shows up. watcher shows up. red hulk knows the watchers purpose. “two of the most powerful beings in the universe” is what red hulk says. could he be from off planet? or the moon? sat the inhumans. red hulk says he has waited a long time for this fight. hulk has ruined people(his?) life in the past. red hulk sayshe has showed them all and could killed them at anytime, he excludes samson. red hulk uses the term milksop, only ross has used that term in the past. red hulk mentions for years all i’ve wanted to do was destroy you. thor arrives. red hulk was around for civilwar and ww hulk. red hulk knows about thor enchantments and is suprised he clobbered thor. green hulk is drawn to the red hulk he just knows, as is a-bomb is to hulk. red hulk has known battle on a warriors level. military? hulk, red hulk fight red hulk is getting the upperhand but he seems to start burning out and hulk is able to stop him. longhaired samson shoots rick in the back and ross mentions we gave you all the power you needed to destroy hulk and you failed us.(more than two?) says he also failed himself. they leave red hulk screaming, and they take rick with them. please write and let me know if i missed any more big parts of #1-6. i’d like to relook and see if i missed anything.
John
October 14th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Great stuff Jec.
It’s no secret that the person who is the red Hulk was involved during both Civil War and World War Hulk.
I know I mentioned this scene before with regards that Clay Quatermain wouldn’t be the red Hulk, but a big scene for me would have to be when the red Hulk kidnapped the She-Hulk and there was nothing anyone could do about it.
Let it also be known that the red Hulk only talked to She-Hulk, A-Bomb, Hulk and Thor, it is unknown whether or not he talked to the original Abomination before he killed him. I would mention the Wedingos, but I doubt they understood anything that the red Hulk was saying. This red Hulk had a score to settle with both Hulk and She-Hulk. You could tell just how he talked to them and how he handle his fight with them it was personal. A-Bomb and Thor was just a test or challenge for him to check his powers out and how he could overwhelm his enemies with those kind of powers of his. The red Hulk didn’t seem to dealt himself against these four challengers, but he seemed both impressed and surprised that he could handle himself against Thor.
This whole mystery with what was said between Bruce Banner and Thunderbolt Ross, did Bruce Banner actually guess what was going on and by doing so they would have to fix the footage and audio so no one else would figure it out? You would think with Tony’s tech and Reed being the smartest person ever they could have done a better job decoding the message.
For now that is all I will share, if I think of more I’ll share later.
RPM
October 14th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Ross is the only person ever to call Bruce a milksop.
Red guy talks like he has military background. Soldier and strategist obviously.
If it’s not Ross then it’s Talbot. Talbot is the only person to really hate Banner and Hulk equally.
Add to that the fact that Glen Talbot is in the new Incredible Hulk video game also. It’s a mission where he’s in Hulkbuster armor and it’s nuclear powered and he fights Hulk and after you beat him you have to throw him up into the atmosphere because he sets it to self destruct.
Ross and the military basically “truck him in” for this and he goes rogue.
I know it’s a different world, video game vs. comic, but…the fact of the matter is, here is somebody from the Marvel Universe who has been “dead’ for a long time…and he just pops up out of nowhere with a specific mission to destroy the Hulk…and just happens to go power mad while doing it.
RPM
October 14th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
I guess what I forgot to mention this whole time is that I don’t think it’s somebody like Samson or Stark. Samson has always tried to help Bruce.
This is somebody who already had a huge issue with the Hulk and Banner apparently.
It’s not going to ba a former friend/ally that has gone bonkers. This guy really, really hates the Hulk already. That much is obvious.
jec
October 14th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
over the years ross has been on the top of the, hate the hulk most list. probally followed by talbot. talbot was more jealous of betty and bruce. there has to be a smarter intel behind it all. the leader is just that kind of person. if your ross you may be thinking my enemy’s enemy is my friend. ross hates the abomination as much as the hulk. he took betty from him. rick has always had that smart ass tone with ross, the same tone he had with the person who turned into the red hulk. i think rick thinks of samson as a big brain, but he respects him because he has tried to help both bruce and the hulk. rick loves bruce like a brother, but he loves the hulk to. rick feels the hulk is needed. but he would do anything for bruce. every abomination story in history has the abomination talking up a storm, taunting, and thats why hulk beats him in every fight. he just keeps getting him madder and madder. what if the abomination of issue #1 is a brain dead beast, and blonsky is the redhulk. red hulk is a chance for emil to look a little more human. maybe transform back to human. in return he would just have to work for ross, and destroy the hulk. the jest being the red hulk is really the guy everybody thinks is dead. loeb’s style? just how did his brain get transferred find at the end of the second arc.
jec
October 14th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
i just feel i should add on. we don’t know emil’s hair style, or clothing style. so it could look like samsons. emil could be in the cloned body of samson. with short hair, he was at both civil war and ww hulk. he was kinda a prick in those stories. red hulk could be samsonexcept its blonsky brain or brain patterns. he new an awful lot about the fight between red hulk and abomination. punch for punch.
"Trueblevr"
October 15th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Jec Ill read all 6 tomorrow (just got laid off) and see if you got EVERYthing…Id still like to think Emil is “RedMAN” and KIA Abomination was skrull…
…as for RULK in Avengers Movie (that was me)
it would just work!
Banner goes MIA (caught by ROSS ?) and RULK appears (Blonsky super-sized) looking for a re-match
-in steps the Avengers to hold him off untill the JADE Giant shows up to kick some ANGRY red a__!!!
…and BTW, any one else notice at the end of the HULK movie when Hulk gets REALLY pissed he almost looks to turn RED-ish…
John
October 15th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Wow I am totally impressed with that RPM and Jec put down. The two of them make great points that it could either be Glen Talbot or Emil Blonsky. Talk about taking it to the next level.
With regards to Trueblevr statement about the green Hulk looking alittle red when he gets pissed off, well it’s no secret that the director of the new Hulk movie loved Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale’s Hulk: Gray and it would just so happen that Jeph Loeb’s Hulk series would be out during the movie and video game based on it so perhaps there is more things rubbing off in both the comic and movie world based on the Hulk. Also the video game.
I could recall that when Jeph Loeb came back to Marvel and they announced he would be working on Ultimates 3 and they also were wondering what other projects he would like to work on, he was talking about the Avengers, but he said that he wouldn’t bring back Hawkeye and yet in Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America titled Captain America, it was Hawkeye that came back and dawned the Captain America uniform and the shield. Could Jeph Loeb have brought Glen Talbot back from the dead? Could Jeph Loeb have only killed off the Abomination, but not Emil Blonsky? Again I have to thank RPM and Jec for what they said because now I kinda feel questionable about Doc Samson being the red Hulk and I still don’t think General Ross is the red Hulk. Talbot followed under General Ross so he would call Banner a “milksop” just to be like his role-model. Abomination has been around both General Ross and the Hulk long enough that he could have heard the name calling of Banner being a “milksop” so he would use it to pour salt on a old wound. This sure is a real mix-up we have here. I’m not holding out on Doc Samson, but I do like the Emil Blonsky theory and don’t get me wrong, the Glen Talbot theory is impressive, but he was never apart of issues 1-6 in Hulk, at least not that we are aware of, but most likely not.
jec
October 15th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
when wonderman died ironman and or hank pym made copies of his brain waves. later they were used by ultron, and downloaded into the vision. you don’t just make a clone of a god like in civil war. practice could have been a clone of samson. he would have been a blank slate to download blonskys brain waves. or brain? if you have a brainless beast like the abomination could have been, it would be an easy fight for the red hulk. murder the beast. all body parts are intact including a brain. all anybody knows is the abomination is dead and so is blonsky. having the chance to be more human would make blonsky do a lot, giving him the chance to look more human and beat the hulk to death would make him anything. before emil’s transformation he was a spy and was posing as a military man. military style hair cut, trained for combat. back in the early days, tales to astonish #90 blonsky turnes into abomination and has been talking non-stop he taunts, teases, and bullies the hulk more than every hulk badguy combined. abominations base strength is greater than that of the hulk, but after all the taunting, and the making hulk madder, hulk always gets the upperhand. red hulk is a taunter, and a bully. as far as cloning a samson body for emil, it could have been enhanced more so by cosmic radiation, power discharged by the sentry and hulks fight.
John
October 15th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Even though we only see the Abomination in the first issue of the new Hulk series, the more I think about it, it doesn’t necessary rule him out to be a suspect in being this new red Hulk. The only way Ross and Samson could have captured and copied Emil Blonsky’s brain or brainwaves was when they had him captured and I say this, because not only did the red Hulk crack the Abomination’s skull, he shot him too and one was squarely in the head, so from a crushed skull and a massive shot hole to the head, how much brain could they use, let alone capture and have brainwaves if such a shock would kill that bodypart like it was nothing?
General Ross was all about seeking and destroying the Hulk, if he became a Hulk, surely he would know that someone like him would have an army chasing after him day in and day out, so why put up with that risk? In the Helicarrier, he was doing the same and I know, trust me, I know someone here will tell me, what if that was a diversion of somesort and sure, that could be true, but what we’ve seen so far is typical General Ross and not him wanting or being this red Hulk.
Again I love what is being said about Glen Talbot and I wouldn’t dealt that Jeph Loeb would find a way to bring him back from the dead, but being that we haven’t heard or seen him, it’s still a toss up. The great ideas that are being posted on here by some of the greatest fans out there have given me reason not to rule this one out.
This whole Doc Samson thing is almost turning me crazy. At this point I’m willing to think that there’s three or four Doc Samsons. The original Doc Samson, Skrull Doc Samson, future-dimension Doc Samson or a clone Doc Samson. If you seen and read Hulk 1-6 I don’t think anyone could blame any fan for thinking, it’s got to be Doc Samson, someway-somehow it’s just gotta to be Doc Samson. If it’s not Doc Samson by any means, I don’t think I’m going to be the only fan shocked here.
RPM
October 15th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
John, they would have had to capture Blonsky’s brain waves before red guy killed the Abomination, if Blonsky is the red guy. You are correct about that.
If it’s Samson, I’m gonna be pissed. I just wonder if there’s two Samsons, or if the artist just really fouled up and drew him with long hair…and it got by the editor too…or they just take us for dimwits that won’t notice such a thing.
And why was he out there shirtless and with long freakin hair?
The speech by Ross makes me feel like it’s Talbot. He’s always been a suck-up to Ross. But…did somebody say that it’s supposed to be somebody who was present when Hulk fought Sentry, or that it’s just somebody from the Hulk’s typical story lines? That’s what’s not clear to me. It seems I’ve read a couple of different things. If that was straight, I’d be more sure with a guess, because Hell, it could be Sam Sterns for all we know.
Only for sures are (from me reading the story):
Hates Banner/Hulk
Has a military background.
Is a strategist.
Has a problem, it seems with any gamma spawned being.
Apparently had a special problem with the Abomination.
Also harbors resentment to Stark/Iron Man…perhaps his lack of dialogue with Tony suggests that he might recognize even his monstorized voice? Why would he resent Tony? (”insuffecient” Hulkbuster equipment that got him “killed”?…Talbot?)
It’s somebody who Rick is veeerrrrry familiar with.
Ross, with Samson’s aid have given this being his power.
He’s been exposed to gamma rays prior to his current mutation.
Is on file with SHIELD
Apparently while human, wiped the files on Hulk. Why, why why?
Gets hot. Very hot. Why?
jec
October 16th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
in hulk #50-#54 the abomination was held captive. they could have tested on him during this point. remember the secret agency was trying to get some of the hulks blood during the final fight. we saw clips of the abominations capture and torture. could this secret origanization have gotten hulk blood? they may have done work on the abomination. they told him they planted a bomb in his head, they might not have. maybe they took a scan of his brain and memories. he did finally escape to fight hulk but the last we see of the abomination is he is crashing through a helecopter after hulk punches him. i don’t think he was in a hulk book again until hulk #1.
John
October 16th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
I remember the capture Jec and that’s the only way I would suspect that Emil Blonsky would be involve or related to this new Hulk series, if that doesn’t pan out, then we know for sure that both Abomination and Emil Blonksy are dead.
RPM they said that this new Hulk series was a direct result from what happen at the end of World War Hulk # 5.
Bruce Banner
Hulk
Robert Reynolds
The Sentry
The Void
Now we know that Bruce Banner has MPD and Robert Reynolds has a mental issue, now just picture merging those two together with both Hulk and Sentry power and let’s not forget about the red beam and what power that might have besides seperating Hulk from Banner. We know post World War Hulk there is still a green Hulk and there is still The Sentry and even though the Void was destroyed, could what happen at the end of World War Hulk # 5 have brought him back?
jec
October 16th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
in my small mind i think it would be easier for the short haired samson of civil war and ww hulk to be the clone made for blonsky to help get rid of (as ross would put it ) those blasted super do-gooders. i think of all superheros the only one ross respects is cap. if short haired samson was a cloned body for blonsky, and his orders were to mix things up in the hero community, he would have the background training. the red beams may have had some effect on the body causing it to mutate. maybe it leeched radiation off the hulk /sentry fight this caused it to further mutate. it would explane additional gamma radiation and solar or cosmic radiation needed to further his tranformation. if its solar radiation it could explane heat. red hulk is used to having power just not this much power. he was really stumped at what was happening to him when he started to over heat. a scientist type may have thought about that posibility. a military person wouldn’t. it may be the only way of keeping control of him, make him over exert himself and he starts to burn out, make green hulk over exert himself and he gets madder and of course stronger making him almost unbeatible.
"Trueblevr"
October 16th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Ok “kids”
…just read all 6 issues (twice) didnt really get any further….I know from the automated base guard that its obviously someone w/either base clearance OR someone like that….
still dont think its someone as obvious as Samson though…whats the back story on this Russian Red Guardian GUY and why did dark star look so in awe over the lil survivor saying RED…???
Is she having Omega Red thoughts or is she aware of some type of Russian project ??
Christian
October 16th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
I reckon John’s got a good point about it being abomination. Since Leob has said that theres clues and the characters have been in these issues I dont suspect its Samson at all. The whole killing the abomination at the beginning of the series was odd, and the fact that the abomination said nothing during that scene… may prove that the abomination was just a wandering goliath. and that to cover his tracks Blonksy got rid of his old self so no one would expect him…
The red hulk has all the personality traits of blonsky… the ‘talk’ basically. Too sure of himself. Isnt that how the abomination was??
I dont think its the Sentry. He hasnt been in these issues…
Knowing Leob youve goto make the connection at the start of the series… or you never will. Thats why I deff think its Blonsky… But what Im really confused about, is how did Rick Jones become the A-Bomb??? He was never injected with any serum… :\
Christian
October 16th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
kids? lol im a 25 yr old guy
how old are u True? 
Ive just been a hero of hulk for 20yrs now… Its the ultimate superpower of the marvel race. No one can, or will ever beat him…
You id love to see a face off between Glactus and the Hulk (as angry as he was at the end of WWH) and see who wins. I think that would be amazing… we should get a comment from leob bout this site. So many ideas, maybe he can share some answers.. ;P
Ramsey Ramirez
October 17th, 2008 at 2:31 am
This series has SUCKED. So did his Ultimates 3 story. They both would have been a total waste of money if not for the art. Even then, this is not McGuiness’ best work.
I don’t even care who the red hulk is anymore. This story was written for 12 yr olds. The only part I enjoyed was the Mjolnir and zero gravity twist. 6 issues and NOTHING was accomplished. There is a way to keep the mystery going while still making the story go somewhere. This was a huge let down. The fight scenes were gay, and this story could have been told in 1 issue. Loeb is obviously too busy with his TV/ movie projects and isn’t giving his all to comics, or is relying on the artwork to sell issues so he doesn’t have to work as hard. I mean, come on…. That Ultimates 3 story? It’s almost as if he said…”Let’s just throw in all the characters Joe Mad has ever wanted to draw and we will make up the rest as we go along.” It was crap as far as the story goes. A good story makes you care for the characters…. ANd I didnt feel a DAMNED thing for either of those books.
So Who is the Red Hulk? Probably another incarnation seperated from banner cause all of a sudden the green hulk is retarded again.
Bottom Line: We got ripped off.
RPM
October 17th, 2008 at 7:26 am
Well, I hate to admit it, but I’m 46 years old…so I reckon you can guess how long I’ve been reading Hulk.
I’m sticking with Ross lol.
Not making any more speculations until after #7.
Christian, Abomination didn’t say anything during that “scene” because it was a flashback, as told by Samson, who was purely speculating on the fight. Unless…as I mentioned before, he and the phony Ross were always nearby “juicing him up”.
I’ll see you guys after 7.
RPM
October 17th, 2008 at 7:28 am
Well, I hate to admit it, but I’m 46 years old…so I reckon you can guess how long I’ve been reading Hulk.
I’m sticking with Ross lol.
Not making any more speculations until after #7.
Christian, Abomination didn’t say anything during that “scene” because it was a flashback, as told by Samson, who was purely speculating on the fight. Unless…as I mentioned before, he and the phony Ross were always nearby “juicing him up”.
And somebody had the opportunity to tamper with Rick after he got stabbed by Miek and got hauled to the “hospital”. Or, something on Miek’s spear may have “infected” him, and his traits are more bug-like than abomination-like.
I’ll see you guys after 7.
RPM
October 17th, 2008 at 7:30 am
Ramsey, you’re right about the story not being done as well as it could be.
The artwork, to me, leaves much to be desired.
The variant cover for #7 is horrible. Absolutely horrible. He’s got Huge deltoids, and little bitty biceps, then huge forearms. It looks awful.
I suppose it could be worse. It could be Rob Liefeld.
RPM
October 17th, 2008 at 7:33 am
AAAARRRGGGHHHH……
I MEANT TO SAY I’M STICKING WITH ROSS OR TALBOT.
Until #7…………..Excelsior!
jec
October 17th, 2008 at 11:31 am
i’m 40, and have been lucky to have started collecting comics before the big comic stores started opening. i’m am bigger fan of the older stuff, tales to astonish, early hulk issues where they really tried to define the character. the adventures of his later issues were not as good as the earlier ones. i think it’s just the evolution of comics. rather than tell a story in one or two issues like stan lee did, the writers are planning out year long story arcs. its all good but a lot of the times those mid arc issues are space fillers. astonishing x-men was a good book but mid way through kinda drug along as filler. hulk vs thor should be an awsome fight, now that marvel is looking at thor as being maybe the most powerful person on the planet. leob didn’t make it that kind of fight. it was weak. in the past thor would be to worried about the humans around getting hurt to really cut loose. there was no humans around, so why didn’t he cut loose. he did with ironman. well i guess it’s a hulk title and thats how its always been. ed mcguinness is not my favorite artist but i think he has done a good job on hulk. his bodies are to bulky muscley but facial expressions are some of the best i’ve ever seen. and to reply directly to RPM statement Yes rob liefield was the downfall of comics, he’s an idiot and every character he ever created on his own was a copy of a marvel or dc character, i mean come on fighting american was a carbon copy of cap, shield right down to the wings. and badrock, i think jack kirby was drawing him around 1961. we call him the thing. LOL
John
October 17th, 2008 at 11:46 am
First and foremost I would just like to say that I didn’t come up with the Abomination idea, I was just sharing my personal thoughts based on what other fans were saying when they were speculating that it’s the Abomination.
Forgive me for being one-sided, I know this is America and we have freedom of speech, but if there’s one thing that drives me mad on comic sites is when you got nay-sayers and bashers, at least that is what I call them and they talk trash about the writer and artist of a comic series. Oh by the way, before I go on, I’m 26 years old. When I first became a fan of the Hulk, it was during the time when the Merged-Professor Hulk was made, I didn’t read anything before that, at least not at that time. When I first got into comics, it was my uncle that got me into them, for my birthday or Christmas he would give me a X-Men comic and the hero I was introduced to first was Wolverine. Years later come to my surprise, I would find out that Wolverine’s first appearence wasn’t in a X-Men comic, but in The Incredible Hulk so that made me love that character more, but once I became a Hulk fan, I was hooked. I absolutely loved Peter David’s run. The Hulk stories weren’t the same without him when he left, but I was happy that he return for a short while and currently he is working on a different Hulk series along with She-Hulk, so that’s great news to me. I haven’t read all of Jeph Loeb’s work, but I got started when he did Superman/Batman. To be honest with you, I forgot that he was involved with Heroes Reborn and there was this one Cable comic where it shows the Hulk behind him called Hulk Smash, little did I know that I would get into his books at a later time and absolutely love his work. I don’t care what anyone else says, in my opinion and my opinion alone, some may agree, some might disagree, but what I ‘m saying is, Jeph Loeb tells the best stories. I loved the team of Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness and their work on Superman/Batman was just awesome and when I heard they were coming to Marvel, I dreamed of the day that they would work on the Hulk, I didn’t know there would be a red Hulk involved, but just to have this team tackle on the Hulk would be a dream come true and before I knew it, it became a reality and I feel so blessed and I am happy with the series. I may not know exactly who this red Hulk is, but I trust Jeph Loeb in time will tell us all. I can’t wait for Ed McGuinness to return on Hulk, don’t worry, I love what Art Adams and Frank Cho are doing, but Ed McGuinness rocks on the Hulk, just like Jeph Loeb said, “this boy was born to draw the Hulk”. I can’t wait to see The Defenders take on The Offenders.
I would love to see one day if Jeph Loeb could post some comments on here, that would be the coolest thing ever.
jec
October 17th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
i think it’s funny that as popular as wolverine is, his start in hulk was kind of a joke. if it wasn’t for the windigo being in that book it probally would have really flopped. about 30 issues later, #212. len wein introduced another character, the constrictor. same color sceem and adamantium coils from his wrists. he even had the same personality as wolverine. a good red hulk vs. wolverine must be coming up. i sure hope so.
John
October 17th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Jeph Loeb/Tim Sale
Jeph Loeb/Rob Liefield
Jeph Loeb/Ed McGuinness
Jeph Loeb/Michael Turner
Before I start, I would just like to say that I will miss not seeing another comic made by both Jeph Loeb and Michael Turner. I often wonder from time to time what Ultimate Wolverine would have been like. There was talks of maybe a Avengers/X-Men book, but I will always cherish their work on Supergirl and even though I haven’t read or seen Soulfire, I’ve heard good things about it.
There are alot of fans be it from Marvel or DC that say that the best team ever is Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale. If you look at their history with Challengers of the Unknown, Batman: The Long Halloween and Dark Victory, Catwoman: When in Rome, Superman: For All Seasons, Daredevil: Yellow, Spiderman: Blue, Hulk: Gray and now we have Captain America: White, I can see why alot of fans would say this team is the best of all.
I mentioned earlier that I forgot that Jeph Loeb was involved with Heroes Reborn, but this is where you see Jeph Loeb work with Rob Liefield and sure who could ever forget the famous Captain America chest pose, but if you look past that, their work on Captain America and Avengers were pretty great and their recent work on Onslaught Reborn in my opinion was a masterpiece. Whether you love or hate Rob Liefield, you can’t deny what he has done and given to the comic industry.
I guess due to the fact that I really started picking up Jeph Loeb’s work when he worked on Superman/Batman, this is where I saw the team of Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness and each issue that came out, I said to myself, this is what and how comics should be. I came to find out what they worked on before so I collected their Superman books and it’s no secret that I said that it would be a dream come true for these two to work on Hulk and since it became a reality, I’ve been happy ever since.
I think the team of Jeph Loeb and David Finch could be something really and truly big. What they did for Spiderman during Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America was truly epic and I can’t wait to see their work on Ultimatum.
Jeph Loeb working with Jim Lee was absolute magic, if you read and saw what they did with Batman: Hush, talk about WOW!!!
Maybe we could see another comic with Jeph Loeb and John Romita Jr.
I wonder what a comic would be like if Jeph Loeb would team up with Frank Miller, Adam and Andy Kubert, Gary Frank, Humberto Ramos, Ivan Reis, and Dale Keown?
John
October 17th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
OMG I can’t believe I forgot the team of Jeph Loeb and Ian Churchill. Those two were another great and awesome team and maybe one day we’ll see them team up again.
I know this post and the one before isn’t related to the Hulk series, but based on what I was hearing some fans talk about Rob Liefield and the Hulk series, I just felt that I needed to express myself.
"Trueblevr"
October 17th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Ok 1st I think the team that worked on the Sensational Spider arc all the way up to “one more day” was some of the best combined work ever…
as for the “kids” comment…it was a joke…i too am 28, been reading off and on for about 20 years mostly Marvel…some DC I think the Superman Arc that Loeb & McGuiness worked on called “our worlds at war” is also some of my faviorate’s art work…storys…etc…amazing!
anywho…this is why i said “kids” my Ol Lady gives me shit…sometimes, says we are like a bunch of “KIDS” lol….”Kidults” 
BACK to HULK vs. RULK I like the Blonsky ideas, cept why would the guard (automated) have been able to ID Rulk (before he crushed the booth) also DONT think it’s Samson (or at least the real Samson) it’d just be too obvious, theyve been throwing SAMSON in our face since #2 or #3
And on the HULK movie thing did everyone read (somewhere ?) that a frozen Steve Rogers will be seen in an alternate start (to go along w/the shield sitting on Tony’s table in IM) of the HULK movie AWESOME!!! I really do hope RULK is the Villain in the Avengers Movie…what I was saying about him turning RED and enraged in the final fight scene of the Hulk Movie might be a hint for us…
…maybe!…just maybe RULK is a variation of a super HULK…Bruce Banner out of control…or Void torn from Robert in their final fight exposed to GAMMA…I just cant wait for #7!!!!
And where the HELL is the Sentry since SI #1 or 2 (or when ever he flew off)
jec
October 17th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
i don’t believe that steve rogers is red hulk, but they did have access to his body after he was shot. in the past copies of the super soldier syrum have tried to be done. ted salis became the man-thing. ultimate bruce banner became the hulk. now man-thing does burn anyone he touches as long as they know fear. could this red hulk be a new attempt at a new super soldier. could salis’ work been uncovered. ross could probally have some access to caps body at some point. blood sample. this new super soldier syrum along with a little gamma radiation. boom new red hulk. as far as the candidate for such a syrum i don’t know. i would think he would be military or shield. a clone of samson, maybe talbot. could they tried to save rick jones’ life with same syrum.
RPM
October 17th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Yes there is a scene at the beginning of the DVD that was chopped out of the theatrical release.
Bruce finds a humanoid figure frozen in the ice. You can’t see who it is.
In the pentagon in one of the scenes, there is a portrait of “Steve Rogers” hanging on the wall.
No, that is NOT Cap’s shield on Stark’s workbench. That is a reach. I have watched the movie over again, and it’s not.
Number one, if it was such an icon, it would not just be lying around on somebody’s work bench. That would be disgraceful treatment for Captain America’s shield. Cap’s shield would be tucked away or on a display somewhere.
If Cap fell into the icy waters and froze, his shield was with him anyway.
What you’re probaby seeing is an optical illusion, along with the power of suggestion, looks like it might be a star on what might be a shield.
It’s a hell of a reach.
What you might see would be a prototype shield based on Captain America’s, for future production. Seeing how Stark is in that kind of business that would make a ton more sense than a national icon treated so incorrectly as to have it lying around in some damn garage. Don’t you agree?
RPM
October 17th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Oh, the reason the scene was deleted from The Incredible Hulk is because Bruce went to Antarctica so that he would freeze to death.
Suicide via hypothermia. He reasons that it’s the only way he can off himself. Slowly freeze to death so he won’t get excited and change. If he were to blow his brains out, his healing factor would likely take over and repair and he’d transform and go into a destructive frenzy.
It was deemed to be too dark of a subject/scene for younger viewers, so it was left on the cutting room floor.
RPM
October 17th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Speaking of the Avengers movie…
I really, really, really hope they don’t make Hulk the villian. I will be very, very pissed. I may Hulk out and smash something.
The ending with Stakr’s and Ross’ dialogue somewhat suggests this will be the case.
I am really sick of the Hulk being mad the villian.
The only way it will be acceptible is if at first the Avengers try to stop/capture the Hulk, then another clearer threat emerges and they team up with the Hulk to vanquish that foe.
After all, Hulk was an original member. I hope they keep that in mind.
Say, the Leader breaks out the Abomination and they team up with, oh, I dunno…maybe the Rhino and the Mandarin. Would need several bad guys to make a team that could stand with the Avengers for longer than five minutes.
jec
October 17th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
i would hope they just keepan avengers movie as close to the origional avengers and make loki the villian. the thor movie will come out just before the avengers. he may give loki a set back but loki always returns.
RPM
October 17th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Who is going to play Thor?
I don’t like or watch wrestling, but I think that Triple H guy would be perfect. They’d just have to bleach his hair and he has the Viking warrior attitude that Thor will have to have.
We all know he can act. He is a wrestler after all.
"Trueblevr"
October 17th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
what about the Rogers clone that untill recently Skull had control of…maybe he was caught under Ross’ charge and given a new super soldier serum…some how exposed to some wild Gamma/secret sauce….no rime or reason for his targets just out of control or on assignment….dunno ?
I dont think its caps shield on the bench…just a shiel (as you said) I like the proto type idea….I read an article “somwhere” that confirmed thats a shield of sorts…almost looks incomplete…but it is a teaser somehow…
I liked HHH in Blade trinity…but! dont think he has the chops for Thor, the look yes…not the skill…yet, but maybe w/lessons ?
What do you think about Brad Pitt for CAP…size he was in Troy but obviusly cleaned up, as for Avengers why not LEADER (we already previwed) goes MAD “hahaha” mad and breaks out Abomination and so on…
…Thor dunno, the guy rumored (Kevin McKidd) LOOKS PERFECT! but he needs to bulk up…alot or do CGI muscles like in 300…
John
October 17th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
I’ve heard all sorts of casting rumors with regards to this Thor movie. I’m a huge wrestling fan so I was excited to hear that Triple H was talked about as a consideration, but I don’t think anything is final. I heard at one point that they wanted Brad Pitt. I also heard that they thought Karl Urban would make a great Thor. Loki will have to play a big part in the Thor movie, but just how much will he play in the Avengers movie?
I agree, the green Hulk shouldn’t be the villian in the Avengers movie, after all he was a member at one time, but I think since they are merging the Ultimate Universe with the Marvel Universe in the movies they are making in which you could really tell in Ironman and Hulk, they’ll try and justify it that way. I think if Hulk were to be the villian, it should be the red Hulk instead or I like the idea where the Leader breaks the Abomination out and maybe they recruit other major baddies and have a big clash of the titans with the Avengers.
If you ask me, I don’t much like deleted scenes and then you of course have to wait and see them once you buy the DVD. If there is a Captain America involvement in the Hulk movie, I guess I can understand why they left it out, because there are alot of fans that I’ve seen and heard post in other comic sites that wish and hope that Marvel and Hollywood would cast Matt Damon to be Steve Rogers-Captain America. I also think that you see alot more fanmen then you see fanboys so if they thought that part in the Hulk movie would have been too dark, they should of given the movie a R-rating, something should have been done about it, but oh well that’s life I guess.
"Trueblevr"
October 17th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Or Maybe!….Daniel Craig for Thor w/size gain. Another vaillain IDEA would be SKRULLS…A “Seecret Invasion” would def. be motive for the “Avenger Initiative”…maybe the US Army has already detected a SI ant thats why they are already recruiting. O and sorry to nitpic but why Samueal L Jackson…this isnt “Ultimate Avengers/HULK or IM ??
Back TO RULK….AFTER READING 1-6 again yesterday (twice-ish) could RULK be a RUSSIAN/US military project set out to eliminate BANNER and BLONSKY for good so they no longer cause destruction…
"Trueblevr"
October 17th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
O and BTW if you havent already check out the previws for the next two MARVEL ANIMATED films Hulk vs Wolv and Hulk vs Thor….
…their on the Next Avengers DVD
jec
October 17th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
could the item on starks workbench be a protective chestplate for cap? the round shield was an accident when it was made. and as far as the first bad guys being the skrulls and samual jackson being nick fury and this not being an ultimates movie, well basically it was the millars version of the skrulls they fought in the ultimates series. i want to see red hulk, wolverine and wendigo all going at it.
"Trueblevr"
October 17th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Rulk/Wendigo/Wolv in book or Movie form…?
jec
October 17th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
yes, and also action figures, and statues, graphic novels, and anyother form they want to do it in.
"Trueblevr"
October 17th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
…Lol, smart ass!
I hear ya though, check out the last two Wolverine Orgins awesome art work of HULK, Wendigo and Wolvie….you collect figures two huh…another reason I earned the KID title…LOL!
I always thought it’d be cool to throw in some of the NEW AVENGERS in w/the old…maybe Wolvie/CAGE (Will Smith NOT Tyrese whos WAY too short) maybe spider-man and introduce Ray Park’s Iron Fist….ok will at least some of them that wouldnt be licensing issues…you know…have an army of wendigos to start the Avengers Movie villans
"Trueblevr"
October 17th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
…any who, HULK/RULK #7 this week, talk ta y’all soon!
Ramsey Ramirez
October 18th, 2008 at 2:45 am
NOOOOOO. I like Wrestling. But Triple H needs to stay in Wrestling. Thor needs to be an unknown actor who isn’t there just for his body. Triple H is a great wrestler and he is a great actor in the WWE, but to hold down the main role for a MOVIE this BIG is something totally different and i’m sorry to say is WAY OUT OF HIS LEAGUE. (Remember The Rock in SCORPION KING?)
We are trying to graduate from silly comic book movies like BATMAN FOREVER, and with this latest bunch of them (ironman, hulk, the dark knight, etc.) we have… let’s try to keep it that way.
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RPM
October 18th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Anybody remember Triple H’s role as The Disciplinarian in The Drew Carey Show? He can act. I mean, he was playing a wrestler so it wasn’t much of a stretch, but still.
I think Thor, like it or not, is going to have to be a bit on the angry side.
btw…my brother is 52 and he still collects comics and action figures. You would not believe the size of his collection. He has all of what used to be my books also. So he’s a big old kid too. lol.
jec
October 18th, 2008 at 11:23 am
check out the movie the 13th warrior. there are quite a few no named actors that play the viking type. they would be very convincing.
jec
October 18th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
a must read. i bought it on a whim. planet without a hulk she-hulk #16. she-hulk and wolverine are fighting wendigo. shield shows up and ends up taking wendigo off wrapped in the crimson bands of cyttorak. last page shows the abomination captive. a figure in the shadow says “good job quartermain. and keep em coming. if this is going to work, we’ll need every specimen we can get for Project Achilles. i had mentioned earlier about the return of the pantheon, and achilles. he always wanted to beat the hulk, but was never able to because the gamma radiation cancelled out his powers. the abomination has probes connected to his head. the figure in the shadow could be agamemnon. he is immortal. but possibly shield agents dedicated to fury and not stark could be working with the pantheon. they have wendigo, they have abomination, and shield has there own team of sorcerers. mind transferrance via magic. worked for dr doom, and doc strange can do it, why not shields sorcerers. clone a body of many different badies, magically put somebodys brain into the new body. not many clues in issue 1-6 to support this, but it does seem to make sense. all of the major characters are there abomination, she-hulk, shield, wendigo, and shields sorcerers. to top it all off this secret exparament involving them all. it is a must read.
Christian
October 19th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
People always fear what they cant control… The Hulk is a loose cannon. No one knows what he will do, or what mindset he’s in, thats why big shots like tony stark and ross will always make the hulk out as the villan cause he’s uncontrollable. fkrs i say… that hero’s done more good then bad, and can kick all of the mutants in marvels ass’s. just look at WWH.
I reread the issues 1 – 6 on the weekend… theres no fkn clues to who the god damn red hulk is besides the shorthaired samson disappering and his shirt found with radiation on it in the shield carrier. how many issues is this series gonna go one for? does anyone know? cause if its samson, theres gonna be alot of p*ssed off fans. its too bloody obvious… as for the rest of the characters in the series they’re all accounted for! so it cant be any of them except short hair samson which is ghey…
eh im just sick of the series now. as much as i like the hullk, its just turned to bs, and dragged on for too long
Christian
October 19th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
as to thor./.. thor doesnt show off his body much… he’s always got his costume on. and to the movie? what would the plot be exactly?? my only thought is something to do with loki… :\
"Trueblevr"
October 20th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Jec good call on “13th” (it was just on) Vladmir Kulich is the guy that would have pulled Thor off, cept now he’s old…I still say Kevin McKidd
As for RULK, ya no clues…cept the one that’s waaayyyyy too obvious!
John
October 20th, 2008 at 11:47 am
First and foremost, before I start talking things relating to the Hulk, I would like to address Ramsey Ramirez. Triple H is familiar with Marvel movies being that he was in Blade: Trinity and it would not be silly or out of line to think that he could be cast as Thor, he would make a great Thor. I’ve often wondered when Triple H uses a sledgehammer in the WWE if that was a way of paying homage to Thor. Triple H and the sledgehammer is notorious and famous just like Thor is to his hammer.
There is nothing wrong with older people being fans of superheroes and collecting toys that are based on them, you never grow out of being a kid, although if you are a grown-up you have more responsibilies, but still if you have free time and not so busy, there’s nothing wrong with it whatsoever. The only thing to be ask is not to believe in them as if they were God or various gods, because they are not. Other then that, have a blast.
I just saw the new Hulk movie again, I barrowed it from a friend and knowing that Jeph Loeb was working on the Hulk series during the Hulk movie, it doesn’t surprise me now to see that if General Ross was involved in Emil Blonsky becoming the Abomination, he would be involved in whoever is this new red Hulk. The question is, even if it is similar, will it end up being one and the same with Emil Blonsky being the red Hulk instead of the Abomination, now that Rick Jones is A-Bomb?
I still don’t believe it’s General Ross, but he of course was involved with the red Hulk. I’m not giving up on Doc Samson, but more and more I could see why some fans would think it’s Emil Blonsky the original Abomination.
I know I’m just a fan, but I would like to ask all you fans something. If your comic stores get the Michael Turner covered Hulk, please buy those okay. Buy this in memory of Michael Turner. If you want you could buy two or three, one of Frank Cho and Michael Turner or one of Arthur Adams and Michael Turner or Frank Cho, Arthur Adams and Michael Turner. I know that some will ask, why buy two or three of the same book? One to read, one to save and you will want to save the Michael Turner ones.
jec
October 20th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
i’ve never been to much of a michael turner fan, but i really liked the covers he had been doing for marvel, dc, and wizard there before he passed away. his covers were syand alone art. not really giving a huge hint about the content of the book, just a great picture to enjoy. as for toys i find when i buy them i eather display them or put them away, until my six year old opens them. the build a figures are awsome, i get the parts my son get the figure, most of the time. once again read planet without a hulk shehulk #16. there might be some clues.
Ramsey Ramirez
October 20th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
John: I am a huge THOR fan. His Oliver Copiel based Action Figure is sitting on top of my Macintosh.
J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI’S run has been one of the best I can remember. ( I’ve been reading Marvel since 1980)
Physically, yes, Triple H could be THOR, but there needs to be depth to the character if this is to be a good movie. That means DIALOGUE, not just beating on people with a hammer and Triple H would sound silly speaking like THOR. And I would hate to watch a THOR movie with a bunch of “TERMINATOR” style one liners.
“That kind of dialogue and character needs the hand of someone who comes from a theatrical/classically trained background in order for it not to sound forced or artificial. ” – J. Michael Straczynski, THOR Writer
Mark Protosevich who wrote the screenplay for “I AM LEGEND” is handling the screen play for THOR and I’m excited about that. I AM LEGEND was awesome. I’m sure he won’t put the lead role in the hands of someone who has minimal ACTING experience. Is wrestling acting? Yes. Is it GOOD Acting? NOOOOOOO! But that’s the charm about wrestling. It’s awesome in its fakeness. Ask yourselves… Is there any REAL dramatic acting in wrestling?
Now let us think about good LEADING ROLES in comic book movies….
Patrick Stewart, – Professor X
Hugh Jackman – Wolverine (Some People wanted Glen Danzig just cause of his body and Mutton Chops, UGGHHH)
Bruce Wayne – Christian Bale
Bruce Banner – Edward Norton
Iron Man – Robert Downey Jr.
to name a few
Now lets see how they could have been casted using WRESTLERS based on LOOKS.
Stone Cold Steve Austin – Professor X
Chris Benoit – Wolverine (I think he is short & canadian too)
Bruce Wayne – Justin Roberts
Bruce Banner – Todd Grisham ECW
Iron Man – Chavo Guerrro
War Machine – Ezekiel Jackson
NOW….how would those movies have changed if we had switched out those ACTORS for Wrestlers???
I can’t speak for everyone but I like my movies to be action packed & Intelligent. Movies like Starship Troopers that are all flash & no story are an insult to my intelligence. There is NO WAY Hunter can pull off the Speaking Roll. PERIOD. Don’t get your hopes up. I heard Brad Pitt is up for the Roll. While he is not my first pick, He is pretty good speaking with accents and at least he can act and he can get pretty bulky (Troy).
Triple H is the best at what he does…and let’s not forget that what he does is Wrestle.
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John
October 21st, 2008 at 11:47 am
It’s not that I don’t understand where you are coming from Ramsey, I do, but I don’t think it’s fair to really compare the style of “acting” in the WWE to the acting in Hollywood movies. I honestly believe that if Triple H were given the role of Thor, he would take it seriously. If you take Triple H from the beginning of his career known as Hunter Hearst Hemsley, mix it up with the King of Kings persona and then add the knowledge he would have to take on about Thor, I do believe he could pull it off.
I don’t think they would ever put Stone Cold Steve Austin as Professor X just because both are bald. I guess it could be worse, you could have mentioned Justin Credible as Professor X. The late Chris Beniot most likely could have pulled off the role of Wolverine successfully. I can’t really speak on behalf of Justin Roberts being Bruce Wayne, because I don’t know who Justin Roberts is, but I think Randy Orton could fit the bill as Bruce Wayne. Todd Grisham might have that innocent geekiness to him, the slim build, so far so good, but can he go from announcer to a nuclear physicist? I think Matt Striker would have better luck being Bruce Banner. Are you listing Chavo Guerrero as Ironman because of the goatee, because other then that-there’s just no way. Matt Hardy would be a better fit for Ironman. Ezekiel Jackson as War Machine is off base, I think someone like Shelton Benjamin could make War Machine work.
"Trueblevr"
October 21st, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Just watched the alternate start…the “cap scene” is there, not what I hoped for…but its there.
John
October 21st, 2008 at 3:50 pm
If there wasn’t much to show, I wonder why they would have had it. Sure I get the whole connection, hey fans this will lead to an Avengers movie down the line, but I’m not a big fan of deleted scenes, because in my opinion, they would have been great to see in the movie, but I guess there’s a flip side to that, you’ll get to see it by getting the DVD, so there’s a price for everything.
Fans have to ask themselves, if they are making connections in movies about other movies to come, can the same be said about movies to comics? Sometimes before a hero movie comes out, you’ll see books come out before the movie is out or afterwards, so what is this Hulk movie connection to the red Hulk series?
General Ross to Abomination
General Ross to red Hulk
Hmmmmm what else?
"Trueblevr"
October 21st, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Lol…quite a few post back I said in the last fight seen I saw some RED like HULK got Red as he grew and out Muscled Abomination…thought there was a connection, now I think i was wrong just a glare from the flames…
…I also watched (over and over) the part where the SHIELD comp. is searching for a Green-Blue email in slow motion (thinking I’d find…I dunno, something…I was wrong more or less cept one post that said something about BLUE GREEN or RED (lol)
Anyways hope #7 (TOMORROW!!) answers some questions…
RPM
October 22nd, 2008 at 4:24 pm
OK. #7 is out and all I can say is “what a monumental waste of time”.
These “story tellers” are stinking lazy and or greedy.
Two stories in one book. Swell. If you want to tell a story with the She Hulk, do it in the She Hulk’s book.
This is garbage. It takes you absolutely nowhere. They are so stinking lazy that they continually rehash what’s old, then start with a little something new, and just when it starts developing a little, wham, here’s another story that does the same thing.
This story line is starting to piss me off. I wish these guys read this because I’d tell them where to stick this. I’d tell them where they can stick their variant covers too. Capitalizing on a deceased artist while putting lame stories between the covers. They should be asahmed and you can count me as one who will make #6 the very last variant cover I’ll buy.
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All I can say to Marvel right now is Bullshit. I just subscribed to a comic for the first time in over 20 years and this crap graces my mailbox today. Now I wish I hadn’t subscribed.
Nothing in #7 makes any sense. If Banner’s tracking red guy, why is he in Vegas? He’s supposed to be able to home in on him for crying out loud. Why the hell is he suddenly Joe Fixit again? These guys have completely run out of ideas.
Who the hell is this Steve guy with the bandages all over him? All the sudden Sentry shows up.
I mean this story line sucks ass so bad…I am so pissed at Marvel right now.
These lazy ass, no imagination clowns writing this should be canned.
RPM
October 22nd, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Oh, and I saw Captain America in the alternate opening on the DVD.
It’s at the very end of the scene. 2:33 mark. Lower left hand corner in the foreground.
After the Hulk apparently smashes the ground and causes a big chunk of the cliff to come off, there’s a big chunk of ice in the foreground that comes up and tilts toward you. He’s in there. You can just make out his head, right arm, part of his torso and about 75% of the shield.
John
October 22nd, 2008 at 4:55 pm
I haven’t bought Hulk # 7 yet, but I guess it doesn’t hurt if a fan provides some spoilers, even if he is reflecting on it in a very bad way.
We have to remember that the green Hulk in this new Hulk series isn’t the same from Planet and World War Hulk. We have to remember that Bruce Banner has MPD and it carries with the Hulk, so even though I’m surprised to hear about Mr. Joe Fix-It making a comeback, don’t know for how long, but also there’s history in Las Vegas too with this gray Hulk, I suppose we should have seen this coming, instead of considering a waste or lazy on Marvel’s part. From the very beginning it was no secret that this Hulk series was going to be a mystery and it’s continuing on. Okay so we don’t have all the answers we are looking for, it doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy the story and art aspect of the book. No way and no how would Jeph Loeb ever disrespect the late-great Michael Turner. He was trying to honor Michael Turner fans and Hulk fans alike, give them something to remember the artist by, this was not some trick to have fans buy more copies of the same book in a greedy-selfish way. Again I know this is America and we have freedom of speech and all, but I really wish sometimes fan despite being angry, would think before they say something.
Peace-maker
October 22nd, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Hey everybody!
I’ve been quiet but keeping up with the discussion and on this one John, I have to disagree with you. RPM (and others that are tired of the same old, same old) should speakout…right, wrong or indifferent. I get your point that you make, John, about it not being about greed. But if it walks like a duck…Marvel HAS done that before.
As to the story..
We may not see WWH ever again, but the results from Banner/Hulk truce may still be in effect. Meaning, Banner may be “choosing” which Hulk best suits the purpose at hand. That’s something that I don’t recall Banner EVER being able to do on his own. And as much as I hate to say it:
- Mr. Fix-It is better suited in Vegas
- Each Hulk variation has unique pros/cons to itself
- Steve just may be (God, I hope not) Rogers
- Sentry and Hulk are married to each other until Marvel can figure out a proper place for them on Earth-616
- We are looking at Rulk being revealed in the Hulk Annual at this pace (which is totally uncalled for and IS a $$$ grab by Marvel)
- This is just as bad as the Xorn/Magneto debacle
PREDICTION: the Prof. will be back by issue 9…
QUESTION: If the Asgardians are here on Earth in this amnesia-mode like the Eternals (and Asgard being a “heavenly” realm), what happen to Hela and the “hellish/death” realm beings?
RPM
October 22nd, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Banner may be “choosing” which Hulk best suits the purpose at hand.
Now THAT, would be a nice new direction I would not mind one bit. If they do this, I’ll take back all the nasty things I said.
Steve had black hair. And what are all the bandages for? Dr. Strange would have had to had surgery on his hands/forearms would he not?
But, he wouldn’t act like an ass like this guy did.
I have not read Moon Knight in a very long time. Is his name still Marc or something? That’s not Steve, right?
RPM
October 22nd, 2008 at 6:40 pm
By the by…
Somebody somewhere was talking about somebody needing dna from Hulk for whatever…it’s been a lot of posts back…to have created the red dude.
…wonders how many remember when Prof Hulk punched himself in the nose to give the Pantheon a blood sample?
Not that it means anything at all.
Peace-maker
October 22nd, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Wouldn’t it though?!
The way I see it:
- the anti-Hulk movement is based around Hulk being out of control
- Every Avengers team has tried to replace the Hulk with someone as thier strong guy/goto guy when all else fails
- Marvel chose the Hulk as it’s champion to go toe-to-toe with Superman in the crossover in which (I still don’t believe but understand why) the Hulk lost
- Sentry is Marvel’s Superman with a twist that came around shortly there after and is the only one Marvel depends on to stop the Hulk now (Sorry, Thor)
- This whole story arc is to “re-introduce” the Hulk to the reader and to the superhero community
- Banner showing that level of control (and his long standing history in Marvel) places Hulk back at the top of this “food chain”
- Dr. Strange isn’t even in this dimension at the moment
- As much as we’ve put the focus on colors in Hulk’s U, they’ve been the most inconsistant with color stability
- Moony’s name is Marc Spector…and he has MPD too (verified)
- Somebody did mention the Patheon/clone possiblity (and made a good argument for it too)
- You don’t need to get a blood sample from Hulk when you can get a blood sample from Banner if you wanted to clone him
- She-Hulk is of the same blood type as Banner (and apart of the Initiative where they have EVERYBODY’s blood sample on file)
- As nutty as everything has been going, Rulk could be Bob from Hydra…lmao…
jec
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:08 am
moonknight is more screwed up in the head than banner is. he could be going by steve but i don’t remember him using that name before. the evil doers of the pantheon were as bad as bad could be. agamemnon is immortal and looks at life on earth as a game, when he gets tired of the game he cleans off the board and whoever is on it and starts a different game. it didn’t work to well for him when banner/hulk was in the mix. agamemnon is a sore loser. achilles was one of agamemnon’s older if not the oldest son and was truly devoted to his father. achilles trained the other pantheon members, with maybe an exception of jason. but achilles hates the hulk and banner more than anything . he probally hates anyone who is friends with banner. say rick jones. i just read #6 again and here’s the thing, it may not be a big deal, but ross dosn’t give off a shadow. samson does rick does, but not ross. it’s on the last page when ross is talking to red hulk. agamemnon used the wizard of oz type thing on prof hulk and bruce saw through it because there was no shadow. this happened in hulk #381. as far as the sentry goes, he’s a poor copy of superman. when supes unleashes his power it’s awsome, when sentry unleashes his power it’s just not the same. the problem i have with sentry is he’s afraid of his power so he dosn’t want to use it, and also the void. supes can’t turn off his power so he has to be careful at every thing he does. if clark kent leans aginst a wall to hard he could collapse it, if he’s not careful a simple handshake could be dangerous. but supes dosn’t just sit around the when doomsday comes to town smashing buildings, he dosn’t wait until the last minute. sentry would be better served saving a planet from a dying sun, and his power of a billion exploding suns recharge that dying sun.
"Trueblevr"
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:31 am
Youll have to forgive me I havent had the chance to go to my “book” store yet this week (2 hrs 59…58min) so Ill be back later today..
…anyway just wanted to say real quick I just read on WIZARD Daniel Craig turned down an offer to play THOR (he must be an ass) an I just wanted to pat my self on the back
and say I should be a casting dirrector for MARVEL 
John
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:46 am
I understand in the Marvel 616 Universe you have to stay in continuity, because of all the history it has, but with the other universes within Marvel it’s a different story. To some degree even in the regular Marvel Universe it’s okay to shake things up, simply because it raises interest to long term and brand new fans to comics alike. When Joe Quesada became EIC at Marvel he approached things different and when we hear about the classic Marvel Bullpen, he allows not just the writers of comics, but editors of comics too to go over new storylines and sure some ideas stick and others are ignored, but one would have to say and think to themselves, if what they see and read in the comic is there then it had to be approved by almost everyone there at Marvel, not just by the writer Jeph Loeb himself. I know most fans know this, but alot of the times, this is where some fans using their American right of freedom of speech start up with their nay-say and bashing of Jeph Loeb and even though I know it’s their right, in my opinion, I don’t find it fair. Another thing that fans need to realize is, once a new writer comes in on a story, it’s a common DUH that the series will bring forth new and different stories and not repeat the same from before. Why some fans can’t get used to that is beyond me. You see the thing that bothers me most about it is this, before the comic series comes out, you will have Newsarama or Wizard or any other comic related news source report about the new books coming out and when it comes to a new team coming on, when Jeph Loeb worked on Wolverine, Ultimates, and the Hulk, fans knew beforehand that if they read the articles that came out, they were not going to get the same from what Mark Millar or Greg Pak was giving out to them with these respectative series of comics. This whole Sentry-Superman debate that is going on is pretty interesting. It’s no secret that Marvel has characters that DC wished they had and vice-a-versa. The Sentry might be similar to Superman, but yes, in no way, shape, or form ar they one and the same despite from being in different universes. The Sentry’s alter ego Robert Reynolds has mental issues where as Superman’s alter ego Clark Kent doesn’t, he’s just a good ol’ boy as they would say or the classic, the big blue boy scout. I thought it was amazing that someone said that Marvel would depend on Sentry then Thor to take the fight to the Hulk and then that statement leading to a question to why Superman beat the Hulk in the crossover? The 1995-1996 Marvel vs DC event was a fans choice crossover book series where the fans got to vote to see who would win in the fights that they provided, it was not up to the writers or editors. During that time it was the Superman fans that prevailed over the Hulk fans plain and simple. The one thing that I remember best was when Superman helped the Hulk against the Mole Man and he said that his jaw still ached from their last encounter. Let’s not forget that Superman first encountered the Hulk when he teamed up and fought Spiderman and then of course there’s the 1998 or 1999 Hulk vs Superman book by Roger Sterns and Steve Rude in which Superman encounters the Hulk probably prior days after Bruce Banner became the Hulk. I was amazed and impressed that the Hulk threw Superman into space like he was nothing. Superman considered the Hulk to be his strongest and toughest opponent that he has ever faced. It is my dream that one day they would have a Hulk vs Doomsday match. I don’t know if it should be approached the same way that Marvel vs DC was with the fans deciding who should win or if both companies talked it over and they both decided who the clear cut winner of the match should be, but I would love to see it. I think it would also be cool if Jeph Loeb, Peter David, Geoff Johns and Dan Jurgens worked together on that project. Those four creators would knock this project out of the park. I can’t decide if Ed McGuinness or Dale Koewn should provide the art, or heck, maybe both of them can provide the art, do something like what the Image guys are doing by having Rob, Marc, Whilce, Todd, Erik, and maybe Jim Lee with the characters they created and put them altogether by each artist. I know I’m just one fan, but please guys, please don’t say nothing bad about the late-great Michael Turner okay.
jec
October 23rd, 2008 at 12:19 pm
michael turner came into popularity around the same time as the image founders. he brought a new look to comics. i wasn’t a huge fan, but the stuff he was doing at the end of his short life was as good as any artests work at any time. i really did enjoy his superhero work for marvel and dc. with the work he was doing when he died i’m glad to see marvel using it in print, it just to good to store in a file somewhere. if they make money off it o well thats the business, i just hope he got a paycheck. i just like the stand alone covers that really don’t have anything to do with the story. i feel it’s more collectible.
John
October 23rd, 2008 at 3:55 pm
I didn’t know it at the time, but when my friend would collect Witchblade and Fathom it was Michael Turner who was the artist. I just recall how beautiful the work was, feel bad that I didn’t pay closer attention to the artist’s name. It would be years later, and this kinda relates to my Jeph Loeb collection of comics that when Michael Turner was announced to work on Supergirl, I would see some of the sketches he had worked out and it was the eyes that were a dead give a way to who the artist really was. I don’t know about the rest of you fans, but when it came to Michael Turner’s art and that of women, he had this certain signature if you will when it came to drawing the eyes. I absolutely love what Jeph Loeb and Michael Turner did with Supergirl, talk about awesome and maybe that isn’t even covering it. I would see that he would draw covers for Teen Titans, The Flash, Secret Identity, and Justice League, you couldn’t help but feel, sure you don’t want to miss out on the story and the artist who drew inside the book, but the Michael Turner covers would just steal the show so to speak, they were absolute masterpieces. When I saw the variant covers to Civil War, Onslaught Reborn, Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America, Planet Hulk, Wolverine, Namor the Sub-Mariner,Hulk, Ultimates 3 and Ultimate Origins for Marvel, his work shined just as bright as his work in DC. Michael Turner even provided art for Heroes the tv show, not to sure if it was for the series or a comic based on the show. I think that even if Marvel is making money on the latest Michael Turner covers, sure it might be for business, but the real reason is so fans can enjoy his art even if it’s for the last time, with the exception of going back to your own collection and having a gander at it, but you know.